Identify this vehicle (purpose, base, and coachbuilder) for a point.
Experts?
Shelvoke & Drewry refuse wagon? 1929 or so.
Quote from: FrontMan on April 20, 2020, 09:28:57 AM
Shelvoke & Drewry refuse wagon? 1929 or so.
Refuse wagon, but not by Shelvoke & Drewry and a little bit later than 1929 or so.
Thornycroft A1refuse cart, early 1930s?
Quote from: max on April 23, 2020, 04:28:37 PM
Thornycroft A1refuse cart, early 1930s?
Early 30s, but not Thornycroft
Guy
Pros?
Any relation with Ahrens-Fox ?
Vulcan ?
Seems to be RHD so is it British?
It could be a Lacre, but if it is I can't prove it.
Quote from: Allan L on May 04, 2020, 10:59:37 AM
It could be a Lacre, but if it is I can't prove it.
It is not
It could also be a Dennis, but if it is I can't prove it either.
Quote from: Allan L on May 05, 2020, 07:45:57 AM
It could also be a Dennis, but if it is I can't prove it either.
Not a Dennis
Is it a Leyland?
Karrier?
A make which survived into the post-war period?
Quote from: Carnut on May 06, 2020, 07:35:02 AM
A make which survived into the post-war period?
Yes
Scammell?
Morris Commercial?
Karrier?
Maudslay?
Crossley?
Tilling Stevens?
Quote from: Carnut on May 06, 2020, 05:43:21 PM
Crossley?
Quote from: Hiawatha on May 06, 2020, 05:56:45 PM
Tilling Stevens?
Neither. I have to say I'm surprised the donor chassis has been so difficult to identify.
In that case I assume it's a fairly major make.
How about Commer?
Quote from: Carnut on May 07, 2020, 04:02:26 AM
In that case I assume it's a fairly major make.
How about Commer?
Not Commer
AEC?
Albion?
Ford?
Must be Fordson then.
It seems to be a version of their 2 ton truck, which I think they called AA (or TT?!)
Here's a picture of the prototype, but I don't think they made many versions of it:
Quote from: Carnut on May 07, 2020, 10:37:33 AM
Must be Fordson then.
It seems to be a version of their 2 ton truck, which I think they called AA (or TT?!)
Here's a picture of the prototype, but I don't think they made many versions of it:
Ford/Fordson 2-ton chassis is correct. It was tractor-based, unlike the AA/TT chassis. Your image shows the LHD prototype built in the US (purportedly the one-and-only US-built Fordson).
Coachbuilder?
Not much idea about coachbuilder.
I've Googled endlessly for your puzzle picture but nothing comes up.
There's very little about old dustcarts and their makers on the 'Net so I can't really find anything.
Eagle Engineering perhaps?
Quote from: Carnut on May 07, 2020, 02:25:41 PM
Not much idea about coachbuilder.
I've Googled endlessly for your puzzle picture but nothing comes up.
There's very little about old dustcarts and their makers on the 'Net so I can't really find anything.
Eagle Engineering perhaps?
Not Eagle
Glover Webb & Liversidge?
Coachbuilder based in the London / Home Counties area?
Quote from: Carnut on May 14, 2020, 06:53:30 AM
Coachbuilder based in the London / Home Counties area?
Yes
Did they coachbuild purely commercial vehicles or passenger cars as well?
Quote from: Carnut on May 14, 2020, 12:41:42 PM
Did they coachbuild purely commercial vehicles or passenger cars as well?
Purely commercial, as far as I'm aware
Thomas Allsop?
Bonallacks?
Dempster?
Longwell Green Coachworks?
Thought not.
Straker-Squire?
Bence Motor Bodies?
How about Harrington?
Or Eaton Coachworks?
Does the puzzle picture appear anywhere on the Internet or did you get it from a publication?
Quote from: Carnut on May 16, 2020, 11:13:33 AM
Does the puzzle picture appear anywhere on the Internet or did you get it from a publication?
I found it online
Thanks; I've Googled everything imaginable to bring up the image but I can't get it..
Did its builder build other similar vehicles?
Quote from: Carnut on May 16, 2020, 01:08:07 PM
Thanks; I've Googled everything imaginable to bring up the image but I can't get it..
Did its builder build other similar vehicles?
I found the image online while searching (unsuccessfully) for the answer to a puzzle in the BH. The image doesn't appear in a Google search for this specific vehicle, however. This is because the descriptive caption is part of the original image itself, and not in the accompanying (searchable) text.
The other vehicles by this coachbuilder that I have seen are not very similar.
Thanks
Is it a UK site?
Not much chance of finding that then..
Buit by Osborne Motor Bodies?
Quote from: Carnut on May 17, 2020, 11:53:25 AM
Not much chance of finding that then..
Buit by Osborne Motor Bodies?
No
Lucas?
Park Royal?
OK, but without the abiility to use what information has been ascertained so far to trace the picture on the 'Net, and the fact that information about commercial vehicle coachbuilders from this period is very thin on the ground, it's going to be purely a hit and miss affair guessing the right answer.
So, my last try (as I can't find any more appropriate coachbuilders) is Grose Ltd.
Quote from: Carnut on May 17, 2020, 05:42:45 PM
OK, but without the abiility to use what information has been ascertained so far to trace the picture on the 'Net, and the fact that information about commercial vehicle coachbuilders from this period is very thin on the ground, it's going to be purely a hit and miss affair guessing the right answer.
So, my last try (as I can't find any more appropriate coachbuilders) is Grose Ltd.
Not Grose
Did the coachbuilder still exist after WW2?
Quote from: Carnut on May 18, 2020, 04:20:51 AM
Did the coachbuilder still exist after WW2?
It appears so
Based in North London?
Like Duple, for instance?
West London?
South London?
Quote from: Carnut on May 19, 2020, 05:19:36 AM
South London?
I think the borough is now considered to be in South London, but it was part of Southwest London at the time.
Croydon?
Kingston upon Thames?
Richmond?
Perhaps the coachbuilder was Allan Taylor Engineering and Manufacturing of Wandsworth?
They coachbuilt many Ford vehicles and I've found the picture below of a very similar dustcart by them, descsribed as an "A.T.-Ford refuse collector"; it's not quite the same but it is awfully similar!:
Quote from: Carnut on May 19, 2020, 11:51:44 AM
Perhaps the coachbuilder was Allan Taylor Engineering and Manufacturing of Wandsworth?
Correct!
Thanks!
Can you post your unmodified photo with the details included within the picture?
Would be appreciated.
Quote from: Carnut on May 19, 2020, 03:04:04 PM
Thanks!
Can you post your unmodified photo with the details included within the picture?
Would be appreciated.
Here you go:
Thanks.
I note they call it a Ford rather than a Fordson, same as the picture I posted.
I think the name Fordson only appeared in the UK later in 1931.
I wonder how many they made? It's possible that the picture I found is the same vehicle in prototype form, which might have been modified - e.g. different wheels - when it was sold to Holborn Council.
I wonder if records exist anymore...
Quote from: Carnut on May 19, 2020, 05:45:12 PM
It's possible that the picture I found is the same vehicle in prototype form, which might have been modified - e.g. different wheels - when it was sold to Holborn Council.
Front wheels could have been flipped around
The front mudguards are different and the small side lights on the front are not there on the Holborn Borough Council vehicle, but other than that it looks just the same. The rear bodywork seems identical. I can't find anything at all about the vehicle on the Internet.