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Title: OGB-330 Omnibus Cerrado Triumph Licenced by Carrocerías Sirio de Hernández Bitter & Co. 1925 Caracas
Post by: Oguerrerob on February 29, 2020, 02:02:49 AM
Please find this bus
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 06, 2020, 01:06:31 AM
Up!
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 12, 2020, 01:15:52 AM
Up!
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Post by: pguillem on March 12, 2020, 11:48:47 AM
From South America ?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 12, 2020, 12:09:52 PM
Yes
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Post by: pguillem on March 13, 2020, 12:10:57 AM
From Argentina ?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 13, 2020, 12:16:36 AM
No
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Post by: pguillem on March 13, 2020, 09:48:06 AM
From Uruguay ?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 13, 2020, 09:49:19 AM
No
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Post by: pguillem on March 13, 2020, 11:56:27 AM
From Chili ?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 13, 2020, 12:10:37 PM
Not from Chile
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Post by: pguillem on March 13, 2020, 12:44:22 PM
From Venezuela ?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 13, 2020, 12:48:03 PM
Yes
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Post by: pguillem on March 13, 2020, 03:28:07 PM
Built in Venezuela or bodied in Venezuela ?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 13, 2020, 03:46:54 PM
Bodied
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Post by: gte4289 on March 13, 2020, 04:47:51 PM
U.S. chassis?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 13, 2020, 04:49:26 PM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on March 15, 2020, 01:01:54 AM
De Dion-Bouton chassis with body by Secundo Jordàn?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 15, 2020, 03:19:12 AM
No.
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Post by: pguillem on March 18, 2020, 01:39:18 PM
Any relation with Gerónimo Gnecco ?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 18, 2020, 02:52:40 PM
Not that I'm aware of
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Post by: gte4289 on March 18, 2020, 02:55:24 PM
French chassis?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 18, 2020, 04:02:33 PM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on March 18, 2020, 09:53:27 PM
German chassis?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 19, 2020, 01:14:20 AM
No
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Post by: pguillem on March 19, 2020, 09:18:01 AM
British chassis ?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 19, 2020, 10:00:46 AM
Yes
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Post by: gte4289 on March 19, 2020, 07:44:41 PM
Guy?
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Post by: Djetset on March 19, 2020, 09:44:47 PM
Was it built on a Leyland chassis?
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Post by: pguillem on March 19, 2020, 10:06:46 PM
Tilling-Stevens ?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 20, 2020, 01:48:46 AM
No, to all
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Post by: gte4289 on March 20, 2020, 02:30:37 AM
Scammell?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 20, 2020, 02:47:12 AM
No
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Post by: Djetset on March 20, 2020, 03:50:19 AM
Bedford?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 20, 2020, 04:21:31 AM
No
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Post by: Djetset on March 20, 2020, 04:28:34 AM
Daimler?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 20, 2020, 06:28:05 AM
No
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Post by: Djetset on March 20, 2020, 07:45:04 AM
Ford?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 20, 2020, 08:17:22 AM
No
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Post by: pguillem on March 20, 2020, 09:05:28 AM
A.C.L.O. ?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 20, 2020, 09:28:52 AM
No
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Post by: Carnut on March 20, 2020, 10:16:00 AM
Dennis?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 20, 2020, 10:30:07 AM
No
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Post by: Carnut on March 20, 2020, 10:39:13 AM
Crossley?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 20, 2020, 12:11:28 PM
No
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Post by: pguillem on March 20, 2020, 03:24:49 PM
Albion ?
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Post by: gte4289 on March 20, 2020, 03:54:12 PM
Talbot?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 20, 2020, 04:06:54 PM
No to both
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Post by: pguillem on March 20, 2020, 05:20:03 PM
Commer ?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 20, 2020, 05:32:50 PM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on March 20, 2020, 06:41:11 PM
Thornycroft?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 21, 2020, 01:49:03 AM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on March 21, 2020, 02:15:23 AM
Alldays?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 21, 2020, 02:53:08 AM
No
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Post by: pguillem on March 21, 2020, 09:11:18 AM
Morris-Commercial ?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 21, 2020, 09:47:14 AM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on March 21, 2020, 05:41:41 PM
AEC?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 22, 2020, 01:16:59 AM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on March 22, 2020, 01:22:13 AM
Halley?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 22, 2020, 01:35:03 AM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on March 22, 2020, 02:02:13 AM
Maudslay?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 22, 2020, 02:18:45 AM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on March 22, 2020, 02:19:40 AM
Bristol?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 22, 2020, 02:45:17 AM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on March 22, 2020, 03:19:12 PM
Karrier?
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Post by: Carnut on March 22, 2020, 03:20:30 PM
Quote from: gte4289 on March 22, 2020, 03:19:12 PM
Karrier?

You beat me to it by seconds!
I was just about to post this one!
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Post by: gte4289 on March 22, 2020, 03:21:26 PM
Quote from: Carnut on March 22, 2020, 03:20:30 PM
Quote from: gte4289 on March 22, 2020, 03:19:12 PM
Karrier?

You beat me to it by seconds!
I was just about to post this one!
Not many options remaining at this point :)
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Post by: Carnut on March 22, 2020, 03:32:24 PM
Certainly not many of the better-known ones, but it's surprising how many completely forgotten brands there were making bus chassis, including many French, Italian, German and US makers with factories in the UK.
Other than those, the remaining ones are incredibly obscure...

So I'll try Foden.
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 22, 2020, 05:41:34 PM
Not Foden nor Karrier. It's not obscure at all
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Post by: gte4289 on March 22, 2020, 05:52:19 PM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on March 22, 2020, 05:41:34 PM
It's not obscure at all
A U.S. brand operating in the UK?
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Post by: pguillem on March 22, 2020, 05:53:28 PM
Albion ?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 22, 2020, 05:55:59 PM
Not Albion. Totally British brand
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Post by: gte4289 on March 22, 2020, 05:57:11 PM
Quote from: pguillem on March 22, 2020, 05:53:28 PM
Albion ?
Already mentioned. Here's the list so far:

Guy
Alldays
Morris
Thornycroft
Tilling-Stevens
Leyland
Scammell
Bedford
Daimler
Dennis
Ford
ACLO
Crossley
Albion
Talbot
Commer
AEC
Halley
Maudslay
Bristol
Foden
Karrier
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 22, 2020, 06:10:38 PM
I thought the british brand would it be the easy part
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Post by: Hiawatha on March 22, 2020, 06:25:31 PM
Sentinel?
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Post by: Carnut on March 22, 2020, 07:03:15 PM
All the major bus chassis manufacturers have already been tried, so maybe they were not normally a bus chassis maker.
But the only radiator I can find that looks anything like that is Bentley!
They were reputed to make the world's fastest lorries but I can'f find any reference to them making buses...

Wolseley did and they haven't been tried yet...
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Post by: gte4289 on March 22, 2020, 07:04:48 PM
Straker-Squire?
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Post by: pguillem on March 22, 2020, 08:08:57 PM
Armstrong-Saurer ?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 23, 2020, 02:18:27 AM
Sorry but no to all.
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Post by: Hiawatha on March 23, 2020, 03:38:24 AM
Vulcan?
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Post by: Carnut on March 23, 2020, 05:27:05 AM
Sunbeam?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 23, 2020, 06:30:30 AM
No to both
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Post by: Carnut on March 23, 2020, 08:37:58 AM
Dodge?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 23, 2020, 08:57:59 AM
No.
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Post by: Carnut on March 23, 2020, 10:28:38 AM
Since we've exhausted all the actual bus chassis manufacturers apart from a few very obscure ones who just made a handful, was the chassis actually made by a specialist bus-chassis maker or by a lorry or car maker who just happened to supply the chassis and engine for your puzzle bus?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 23, 2020, 11:22:22 AM
It was a car and motorcycle manufacturer by the time. This bus was built by Licence of this brand. I couldn't find another bus from this brand
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Post by: Hiawatha on March 23, 2020, 11:26:48 AM
BSA?
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Post by: Carnut on March 23, 2020, 11:41:37 AM
Triumph?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 23, 2020, 11:43:40 AM
Triumph is the brand. Locked for you
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Post by: pguillem on March 23, 2020, 09:24:52 PM
I could'nt find any reference to Triumph buses. How come ? I'm puzzled.
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 24, 2020, 03:39:27 AM
Quote from: pguillem on March 23, 2020, 09:24:52 PM
I could'nt find any reference to Triumph buses. How come ? I'm puzzled.
Let's wait till the answer come!
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Post by: Carnut on March 24, 2020, 06:22:39 AM
Triumph wasn't a bus maker (or lorry maker for that matter) so this must be purely a one-off based on the chassis of one of their bigger cars.
Since Maduro seems to have been a bus driver before he became president all I've been able to pull up so far is thousands of pictures of Maduro's triumph in Venezuelan elections...!

I'll have another go today and see if I can get anywhere, but I'm thinking it's unlikely.
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 24, 2020, 07:09:51 AM
I'll give you a hint: Date and Triumph lincence bus, you've got it
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Post by: Carnut on March 24, 2020, 09:34:37 AM
Thanks.
It looks around 1925?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 24, 2020, 10:47:15 AM
Yes
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Post by: Carnut on March 24, 2020, 11:28:17 AM
OK, so what else is it you need exactly please?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 24, 2020, 11:36:30 AM
Coachbuilder
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Post by: pguillem on March 25, 2020, 11:11:54 AM
I think I found it. Is it locked ?
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Post by: Carnut on March 25, 2020, 11:35:15 AM
I believe it is, yes.

Here's the answer!  Carroceria Sirio, Hernandez Bitter & Co.
Apparently it was one of the first buses to be built in Caracas.
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Post by: pguillem on March 25, 2020, 12:02:39 PM
I didn't find any other bus from them

:applause:
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Post by: gte4289 on March 25, 2020, 12:15:17 PM
Quote from: Carnut on March 25, 2020, 11:35:15 AM
I believe it is, yes.

Here's the answer!  Carroceria Sirio, Hernandez Bitter & Co.
Apparently it was one of the first buses to be built in Caracas.
Does that say "Sirio" or "Stylo"?
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Post by: Carnut on March 25, 2020, 12:32:47 PM
I wondered that at first but this accompanied the post:

QUOTE
Carrocerías Sirio, Hernández Bitter & Co., uno de los primeros fabricantes de autobuses en #Caracas, montados bajo patente Triumph (1925)
UNQUOTE

I think that answers the question!
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Post by: gte4289 on March 25, 2020, 12:38:54 PM
Quote from: Carnut on March 25, 2020, 12:32:47 PM
I wondered that at first but this accompanied the post:

QUOTE
Carrocerías Sirio, Hernández Bitter & Co., uno de los primeros fabricantes de autobuses en #Caracas, montados bajo patente Triumph (1925)
UNQUOTE

I think that answers the question!
The caption was typed by the person handling that Twitter account in 2019, and possibly lifted from 1960s author Guillermo Jose Schael, either of whom could have easily misread the stylized script of the 1920s advertisement. I'm still not convinced that this reads "Sirio" as opposed to "STYLO."

By the way, great job at finding this!
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Post by: Carnut on March 25, 2020, 01:02:51 PM
Thanks; I'm not fully convinced either!
It does look like "Stylo" the more I look at it!
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Post by: Hiawatha on March 25, 2020, 02:05:53 PM
Very interesting, but..are we sure it is a Triumph chassis? The ad seems to imply that the body is
based on a Triumph patent, but there in no mention of the chassis make.
Just curious and well done Carnut.
PS
Sorry, Triumph chassis is  indeed mentioned.
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 25, 2020, 04:16:06 PM
Well found!! That's the one!
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Post by: Djetset on March 25, 2020, 04:44:28 PM
I wonder (doubt) if the licensed Triumph chassis was related to the British Triumph car and motorcycle maker as the only motor car it made in the mid-20s was the 10/20 which had a weak 1.4-litre engine and compact (by bus standards) platform, both of which seem very poorly suited to this application. Perhaps we will never know...  ???
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Post by: Carnut on March 25, 2020, 06:25:03 PM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on March 25, 2020, 04:16:06 PM
Well found!! That's the one!

Thanks!
Is it really Carroceria Sirio though or is it Stylo?
Looking hard at it, it seems more like it says 'Stylo' than 'Sirio'?
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 26, 2020, 01:33:55 AM
Well, It looks like "Stylo", but the only reference found says "Sirio". Maybe Hernández Bitter's family has its origins in Syria (Siria in Spanish). Anyway, I don't know for sure
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Post by: pguillem on March 26, 2020, 12:20:04 PM
Another Carrocerias Stylo creation ?
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Post by: Wendax on March 26, 2020, 12:30:40 PM
 ;D Even better known for this one:
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 26, 2020, 12:55:40 PM
Keep searching!!
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