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Title: Solved -PJ710- B.G.M. (Brevetti Giuseppe Marotta) L'Aquila, 1947-1949
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 30, 2016, 03:45:47 PM
What is this?
1 point for you!
It may be known with 3 different names.
Each one of them will earn you a temporary lock to finish it but only all 3 of them will give you a point
(That's just to avoid lucky random guesses...only if you know the car, you'll find all 3 of them)
Open to all of you!
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: D-type on February 02, 2016, 01:35:05 PM
Austin J40 Pedal Car
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 02, 2016, 04:58:43 PM
Not an Austin and not a pedal car. Not called J40.
The rest is correct.
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: oko94 on February 03, 2016, 12:20:45 PM
Made in Europe ?
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 03, 2016, 02:45:24 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: oko94 on February 04, 2016, 04:29:32 AM
Italian ?
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 04, 2016, 05:17:44 AM
Yes!
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: oko94 on February 04, 2016, 05:29:10 AM
Is it a car for children or for adults ?
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 04, 2016, 06:20:21 AM
A real car. Like the Volugrafo or the Volpe.
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: oko94 on February 08, 2016, 02:34:07 AM
Can the information be found online ?
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 08, 2016, 03:23:11 AM
Yes, but it won't be that easy ;)
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: kwgibbs on February 08, 2016, 07:47:21 AM
was this little car a one-off?
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 08, 2016, 08:10:18 AM
This car was produced by a company.
This is the only pic I ever find of it but it shows the prototype. There is another pic of the 'final' version that is rather different, but that too remained a one-off.
This name can be found in some literature too, but not all sources mention it.
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: luisps on February 08, 2016, 10:43:08 AM
Could it be a BERTONI?
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 08, 2016, 10:46:15 AM
Not Bertoni.
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: luisps on February 08, 2016, 11:11:18 AM
A similar one was the Sicilian PULCINO also known as ARTESI, family name of its creator.
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 08, 2016, 11:18:16 AM
All good guesses, but not one of those.
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: oko94 on February 12, 2016, 02:26:33 AM
Powered by a motorcycle engine ?
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: luisps on February 12, 2016, 02:38:13 AM
As you require 3 names related between let me propose: PARVA-MOTO FONGRI-FRATELLI GRIGNANI from Torino
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 12, 2016, 04:21:35 AM
Quote from: oko94 on February 12, 2016, 02:26:33 AM
Powered by a motorcycle engine ?
I have all the details of it but it's not reported if it's from a motorcycle.
Quote from: luisps on February 12, 2016, 02:38:13 AM
As you require 3 names related between let me propose: PARVA-MOTO FONGRI-FRATELLI GRIGNANI from Torino
Another good guess, but it's not.
The 3 names are required just to avoid blind & lucky guesses. If you'll find one of them, you'll earn a lock to prove you find the car and it was not just a guess. Only the 3 names will give you the point but once there, it will be easy ;)
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on April 05, 2016, 11:07:10 AM
Those 3 names are: an acronym, builder's name and model's name.
They all can be found in the full name of this company, the latter being the city...
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on April 18, 2016, 07:58:24 AM
This is the final prototype:
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 24, 2016, 07:54:41 AM
This one is hard but not impossible.
This maker is not reported in books or magazines but if you looked for obscure Italian makers, you probably found out a paper with a bigger list where this name appears.
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: luisps on August 26, 2016, 03:20:23 AM
Before or afther 1950?
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 26, 2016, 06:27:58 AM
The prototype is from 1947 and the final version from 1949.
1949 is the year reported in one on-line source (but not too easy to find).
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: luisps on August 26, 2016, 10:07:06 AM
What about C.A.B.I. Cattaneo Milano?
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 26, 2016, 11:23:41 AM
That is a very good guess, in fact there was a small car (600cc) built around 1938 by him...but puzzle car it's not Cattaneo's and it's not from Milan.
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: luisps on August 26, 2016, 02:01:50 PM
The only alternative that I found is SVA - Società Valdostana Costruzione Motori - Aosta
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 26, 2016, 06:47:53 PM
Not SVA and not Aosta.
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: luisps on August 26, 2016, 07:24:49 PM
My final guess: B.G.M. Brevetti Giuseppe Marotta  L'Aquia
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 27, 2016, 05:49:14 AM
Quote from: luisps on August 26, 2016, 07:24:49 PM
My final guess: B.G.M. Brevetti Giuseppe Marotta  L'Aquia

Very good!!
You found the car, it's builder and the name!
There is only one slight mistake in the name...
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: luisps on August 27, 2016, 06:29:55 AM
This is exactly the only information that I've found in the list of the "Senato della Republica N.1628"
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 27, 2016, 06:42:09 AM
I know...there is just a single letter missing.
Point is yours anyway...this was not easy!
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: luisps on August 27, 2016, 12:27:12 PM
Thank you but I'm unable to understand what are you looking for...
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 27, 2016, 02:20:22 PM
Where was it built?
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: luisps on August 27, 2016, 02:46:39 PM
Sorry! I lost one l in the way... L'Aquila is the vilage.
Title: Re: PJ - 710
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2016, 04:39:54 AM
That's it!
'L'Aquila' microcar to be built by B.G.M., Brevetti Giuseppe Marotta.
1 point for you!
Title: Re: Solved -PJ710- B.G.M. (Brevetti Giuseppe Marotta) L'Aquila, 1947-1949
Post by: luisps on August 28, 2016, 12:37:18 PM
Thank you Paul. Do you've any technical information of the mechanics of these microcars?
Title: Re: Solved -PJ710- B.G.M. (Brevetti Giuseppe Marotta) L'Aquila, 1947-1949
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 28, 2016, 03:53:36 PM
Single cylinder, 2-stroke, 350cc, air cooled, 50 km/h.
Title: Solved - THOR #203: minicar Aquila (1947)
Post by: thorax on February 05, 2020, 02:04:59 PM
name of the car, where it comes from and who built it
Title: Re: THOR #203
Post by: thorax on February 24, 2020, 09:06:09 AM
Experts!
Title: Re: THOR #203
Post by: kwgibbs on February 24, 2020, 09:46:55 AM
This is the L.Aquila microcar 1947-49?
Title: Re: THOR #203
Post by: luisps on February 24, 2020, 10:24:56 AM
B.G.M. (BREVETTI GIUSEPPE MAROTA) prototype of 1947
Title: Re: THOR #203
Post by: thorax on February 25, 2020, 05:09:45 PM
yes this is the minicar called Aquila from a town named L'Aquila (1947)! one point for kwgibbs
Title: Re: THOR #203
Post by: thorax on February 25, 2020, 05:12:27 PM
Quote from: luisps on February 24, 2020, 10:24:56 AM
B.G.M. (BREVETTI GIUSEPPE MAROTA) prototype of 1947

Giuseppe Marota is the name of his creator: I'll give a point to you too
Title: Re: Solved - THOR #203: minicar Aquila (1947)
Post by: gte4289 on February 25, 2020, 05:26:36 PM
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2016-45/pj-710/25/
Title: Re: Solved -PJ710- B.G.M. (Brevetti Giuseppe Marotta) L'Aquila, 1947-1949
Post by: Carnut on February 25, 2020, 05:54:46 PM
Merged.
Title: Re: Solved -PJ710- B.G.M. (Brevetti Giuseppe Marotta) L'Aquila, 1947-1949
Post by: kwgibbs on February 25, 2020, 06:00:50 PM
Thanks! Thorax for the point.Its a shame not much information about.
Title: Re: Solved -PJ710- B.G.M. (Brevetti Giuseppe Marotta) L'Aquila, 1947-1949
Post by: thorax on February 26, 2020, 05:09:27 PM
from the magazine L'Automobile 1947:
Title: Re: Solved -PJ710- B.G.M. (Brevetti Giuseppe Marotta) L'Aquila, 1947-1949
Post by: Oguerrerob on February 28, 2020, 03:25:44 PM
Another picture
From the Autopuzzles Name Chain thread, posted by Paul Jaray
Title: Re: Solved -PJ710- B.G.M. (Brevetti Giuseppe Marotta) L'Aquila, 1947-1949
Post by: Carnut on February 28, 2020, 04:25:12 PM
It's not the same car though; its wing (mudguard) treatment is completely different, with straight-through sides..
Title: Re: Solved -PJ710- B.G.M. (Brevetti Giuseppe Marotta) L'Aquila, 1947-1949
Post by: gte4289 on February 28, 2020, 04:28:03 PM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on February 28, 2020, 03:25:44 PM
Another picture
From the Autopuzzles Name Chain thread, posted by Paul Jaray
Quote from: Carnut on February 28, 2020, 04:25:12 PM
It's not the same car though; its wing (mudguard) treatment is completely different, with straight-through sides..
See Paul Jaray's comments; that is the final prototype version:
Title: Re: Solved -PJ710- B.G.M. (Brevetti Giuseppe Marotta) L'Aquila, 1947-1949
Post by: Carnut on February 28, 2020, 06:32:11 PM
OK, I see.