I know where this picture was taken, but not the year.
I have a generic name for it but I'm looking for more.
1 point if you can identify this racer.
Well, the easy part is that it's a Fiat 500 A based car, probably with a Siata modified engine....
Quote from: targhediferro on February 18, 2016, 09:51:27 AM
Well, the easy part is that it's a Fiat 500 A based car, probably with a Siata modified engine....
Actually I have 2 names for this (like Maker-Maker) and none is Fiat.
Mmm.....wheels are Fiat 500...perhaps a firm that used Fiat parts?
Simca 5? But would be very strange with Milan license plate? ???
I thought it was a Siata of some sort but the caption says something different.
The names I have are not Fiat or Simca or any etceterini's.
I am sure of the event.
An event that took place in Italy I guess ?
is the car Italian?
yes and yes.
Om?
much known and both still active...
Lancia-Abarth ?
no & no.
Alfa Romeo - Giannini ?
Maserati-Benelli?
you both are half right.
Maserati-Giannini ?
still half right...
Alfa Romeo-Maserati ?
Yes, Alfa-Maserati is the name I have.
When (I don't know) and where (I do) was this picture taken?
Who built it (I don't know)?
Still much to do for this Pro-point.
No locks, it was pure blind guessing, so far ;)
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 18, 2016, 04:09:26 AM
I know where this picture was taken, but not the year.
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 20, 2016, 06:51:03 AM
When (I know) and where (I don't) was this picture taken?
Make up your mind ;D
This picture was taken at the start of an Italian event. I don't know the year it took place, but the event it's not totally and terribly obscure.
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 20, 2016, 06:51:03 AM
Yes, Alfa-Maserati is the name I have.
When (I don't know) and where (I do) was this picture taken?
Who built it (I don't know)?
Still much to do for this Pro-point.
No locks, it was pure blind guessing, so far ;)
I don't know this car... but Alfa-Maserati sounds really strange for such a small car... how can an Alfa or Maserati engine fit in that car?? ???
The shape of the bonnet and the general proportions are that of a sporty Topolino (maybe by Zagato).
But being on AutoPuzzles... nothing is what it seems to be! :D
Edit: as already stated by targhediferro...
Quote from: targhediferro on February 18, 2016, 09:51:27 AM
Well, the easy part is that it's a Fiat 500 A based car, probably with a Siata modified engine....
Quote from: Iluvatar on February 20, 2016, 12:22:53 PM
I don't know this car... but Alfa-Maserati sounds really strange for such a small car... how can an Alfa or Maserati engine fit in that car?? ???
The shape of the bonnet and the general proportions are that of a sporty Topolino (maybe by Zagato).
But being on AutoPuzzles... nothing is what it seems to be! :D
Thank you Iluvatar, when I saw that pic, I knew it looked familiar. I thought the caption was wrong too, because it doesn't look like any of the Alfa or Maserati based special I ever seen.
I saw those many little differences between all the pictures but it's always like that with special...or does it mean that the car was heavily modified with Alfa or Maserati bits?
I think the event will clarify it...I couldn't find an entry list for that, but to be honest, I didn't search for too long...
The point is still out there for the final piece of the puzzle, where and when was this pic taken?
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 20, 2016, 12:45:35 PMor does it mean that the car was heavily modified with Alfa or Maserati bits?
Unlikely... I cannot imagine even a 1100cc Fiat engine fitted under that Topolino bonnet... (with a proper radiator to cool it) ;)
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 20, 2016, 12:45:35 PM
The point is still out there for the final piece of the puzzle, where and when was this pic taken?
Pescara?
Could it be that the "Maserati" part of the caption refers to the driver? It's not an uncommon name in Italy. Quite where the "Alfa" fits in is anybody's guess!
Not Pescara.
I'll add the caption soon.
Is it Syracusa?
Not there.
Mantova?
Much closer...
Cremona?
Go south and you'll hit the track!
Parma-Berceto?
That's the race. :thumbsup:
1931-1932 maybe the year?
I don't know.
I hope somewhere will be a list of cars racing that particular edition of the Parma-Poggio di Berveto and #26 will reveal the nature of this car...
The "usual" site is a bit lacking in information. I would put the car as nearer 1937/39 or even post-war. In the 1938 there was a Fiat Siata Zagato bodied car which also has the name Ghiringhelli. This name means nothing to me, but maybe it was a tuning firm?
Bingo! I had a Ghiringhelli Topolino in my archive!
EDiT: that was #74 and was a coupe. :-\
...but probably you are not far off.
The class winner in 1938 was Franco Spotorno, and he drove a car which fitted this puzzle. However images i have found of his car show it to be unpainted (easily changed) and with the licence plate in a different place (easily changed).
I know his car was called a "tank" which a fixed-head coupe would not, and I know it had this Zagato type body - cycle wings were banned for the Italian national championship.
Is it him?
Quote from: nicanary on February 22, 2016, 11:14:23 AM
The class winner in 1938 was Franco Spotorno, and he drove a car which fitted this puzzle. However images i have found of his car show it to be unpainted (easily changed) and with the licence plate in a different place (easily changed).
I know his car was called a "tank" which a fixed-head coupe would not, and I know it had this Zagato type body - cycle wings were banned for the Italian national championship.
Is it him?
Spotorno's car is the last in my previous post, with number 24 at the 1938 Mille Miglia.
Other differences are: the windshield and the headlights position. This last one is the heaviest difference and I believe this could be a different car.
Whoops! I must learn to read all posts!
I hope I will able to find more about the Parma-Poggio di Berceto races of those years. I have a pic of a Topolino by Ghiringhelli in the '37 edition, but that was a simil-standard closed model #74.
If the car in '38 is the one in nicanary's pic, it's not that either...
I would suggest that the 'MI' on the license plate means Milan, if that helps?
To sum up:
This picture was captioned as an "Alfa-Maserati" in an article about the Parma-Poggio di Berceto.
The event is the only part I'm sure of.
You know where (Parma-Poggio di Berceto) but not exactly when...but you do have a race number (#26) and some good leads (Ghiringhelli, Spotorno...). There is also a good book about that race and someone can stumble upon the right page...
I'll move it soon if there won't be updates...
Let's see if there are new ideas..
Time to solve this one... ;)
Parma-Poggio di Berceto 1938 - Mario Grassi - Fiat 500 spider Zagato - 2nd in class 750
Very good! I did not forgot about this...the opposite!
I collected, with another fellow Autopuzzler, a dozen of cars like this and we are going to investigate all those plates to finally determine which chassis are they.
In the meantime, we can move this one to solved. The caption was obviously wrong and this is one of the Topolino Zagato Team.
I'll update once I'll have more info ;)