Please identify both donor and coachbuilder for a point
Experts?
French?
no
Fiat 626 RN ?
no, not a Fiat
Tartu?
Fiat was a better guess :)
Not a Tartu
OM Leoncino Barbi?
no
Italian?
yes
Alfa Romeo?
no
Isotta Fraschini D80?
Isotta Fraschini Autobus Tipo D65
...by Conta?
not an Isotta Fraschini
coachbuilder was not Conta
Lancia Beta based?
no
OM Taurus by Macchi?
not an OM
not by Macchi
Lancia Esatau?
not Lancia
Fiat
OM
Alfa Romeo
Isotta Fraschini
LanciaBreda?
not Breda
Fiat
OM
Alfa Romeo
Isotta Fraschini
Lancia
Breda
Itala?
no
Italian Donor
Fiat
OM
Alfa Romeo
Isotta Fraschini
Lancia
Breda
Itala
Italian Coachbuilder
Conta
Macchi
Is the manufacturer of the donor chassis known primarily for producing commercial vehicles/chassis?
actually no, it's a well-known producer of passenger cars
Moretti
no
Bianchi?
indeed. Locked for you to find the model and the coachbuilder - 3 attempts
last chance before I unlock and move it
Unlocked and moved upstairs
Visconteo?
Orlandi?
neither, nor
Bianchi by C.A.B.I.-Cattaneo, 1953
no
Quote from: pnegyesi on December 26, 2019, 12:45:58 PM
no
My error : the year is 1948. Right image, wrong identification ?
now what should we do? I have a different coachbuilder. What is C.A.B.I. standing for?
Cattaneo Applicazione Brevetti Industriali.
I have an entirely different coachbuilder. What do you suggest? Should I reveal it? Maybe the contemporary caption was wrong
If this helps, the puzzle vehicle bears some resemblance to the truck below (particularly around the lights). This truck was originally designed and bodied by C.A.B.I. Cattaneo, with later production being carried out by Bianchi.
Esperia?
Borsani?
Quote from: gte4289 on December 26, 2019, 11:26:33 PM
If this helps, the puzzle vehicle bears some resemblance to the truck below (particularly around the lights). This truck was originally designed and bodied by C.A.B.I. Cattaneo, with later production being carried out by Bianchi.
This truck was the Sforzesco C.2T from 1951. Here is a similar truck from 1949, also later produced by Bianchi.
neither Esperia, nor Borsani. Indeed it is identified as a Sforzesco
Quote from: pguillem on December 27, 2019, 09:10:28 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on December 26, 2019, 11:26:33 PM
If this helps, the puzzle vehicle bears some resemblance to the truck below (particularly around the lights). This truck was originally designed and bodied by C.A.B.I. Cattaneo, with later production being carried out by Bianchi.
This truck was the Sforzesco C.2T from 1951. Here is a similar truck from 1949, also later produced by Bianchi.
Both potentially wearing the C.A.B.I. Cantaneo emblem, as opposed to the later 'Bianchi Sforzesco' models:
And a Sforzesco bodied by Menarini.
By the way, I am not trying to make a case for any particular coachbuilder; I am only providing additional information. I think that pguillem has earned the point either way. :)
Again, just with another puzzle, I have a very different coachbuilder
Fratelli Gambino?
no
Barbi?
no
Viberti?
no
Ambrosini?
no
Is the coachbuilder from Regione Lombardia?
i don't know
Is the coachbuilder known for other vehicles (buses, cars, trucks)?
I did some digging and I believe I now know the location, it was indeed in Lombardia. As far as I can tell it bodied commercial vehicles
Caproni?
I found a picture of the same bus the day it was predented to the press.
There is no doubt it's a Bianchi Sforzesco. The date is late 1949 and there is no mention of the coachbuilder.
not Caproni
I found another identification : Macchi body ?
no
The other identification was Ambrosini
Already dismissed..
it starts with Am..., but not Ambrosini
A shot in the dark.. Ambrosiana?
not any variant on that word
To be absolute exactly, may it be: Ambrosini & Botta?
no
Otherwise I know only about a model name of the late Bianchi-range: "Ambrosiano"
i am looking for a coachbuilder
Carrozzeria AMBROGIO, Via Monginevro 90, Torino
no
Amandonico?
AMIL ?
neither, nor
Amandonico ?
no
Is it listed in Alessandro Sarnia's (als15) Encyclopedia ?
I am here not so much for a point, but as a researcher of obscure coachbuilders.
As I said in a previous post I found a very nice picture of the Sforzesco bus and lorry the day they were
presented to the press.
On the front of both there is a script that could be the name of the coachbuilder.
Unfortunately is not perfectly legible but is probably 5 or 6 letters long and one of the letters could be a b,
a d or an l.
Can you confirm?
Amadei?
Quote from: pguillem on April 30, 2020, 02:01:18 PM
Is it listed in Alessandro Sarnia's (als15) Encyclopedia ?
I don't know, all of my books are in storage until August - sorry
It is not Amadei
It is 7 letters long, starts with Am and there is another a and an l in there.
als15 reference was published here as "The Encyclopaedia of Italian Coachbuilders". You'll find the link easily.
locked for pguillem.
It is listed in the book with wrong time frame.
Quote from: pnegyesi on May 03, 2020, 03:55:09 PM
locked for pguillem.
It is listed in the book with wrong time frame.
"Wrong time frame" : it should be Amolari, Varese, Viale Tamagno
indeed :)
At last and well done.
Never heard before.
That was a really hard nut. I'm surprised that such an interesting bus can be found on one place online, but with a wrong identification.
Thank you very much ! :)
Which is the real one ?
This article was published either in 1950 or 1951 (sorry, can't find my notes at the moment)
Well, it seems that Macchi is a wrong identification. ::)
A comment by Valter Poggi, member of the Facebook group "Autobus d'epoca, che passione!!!"
> the CABI Cattaneo project was sold to Bianchi / Autobianche and will become the Sforzesco but the bodywork was Macchi ....
thanks for investigating this, all I have is this 1950-1951 article in a French magazine