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Title: Solved: Wendax 3167 - Wilhag crane on Kaelble KDV 680 BF chassis
Post by: Wendax on March 26, 2020, 03:15:36 AM
An early mobile crane.

For one point, please respond and identify this vehicle, marque is sufficient.
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: knewit on March 27, 2020, 12:28:17 PM
East Germany
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on March 27, 2020, 12:47:09 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on April 03, 2020, 01:58:51 AM
up
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Post by: Wendax on April 17, 2020, 01:13:59 AM
up again
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Hiawatha on April 17, 2020, 05:11:33 AM
Is the crane Coles?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on April 17, 2020, 06:39:45 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Hiawatha on April 17, 2020, 08:17:55 AM
USA?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on April 17, 2020, 08:43:37 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Hiawatha on April 17, 2020, 02:52:42 PM
European?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on April 17, 2020, 03:46:38 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Hiawatha on April 17, 2020, 03:56:43 PM
French?
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Post by: Wendax on April 17, 2020, 04:50:02 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Hiawatha on April 18, 2020, 06:22:58 PM
Not Coles, but British?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on April 19, 2020, 02:28:44 AM
Not British
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Hiawatha on April 21, 2020, 07:16:39 AM
Kaelble?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on April 21, 2020, 08:21:19 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on April 23, 2020, 05:43:26 PM
From a Nordic country?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on April 24, 2020, 01:03:03 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on April 24, 2020, 02:41:33 AM
German?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on April 24, 2020, 02:54:05 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Hiawatha on April 24, 2020, 05:34:39 AM
Is the chassis from a well known lkw firm?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on April 24, 2020, 05:56:46 AM
I don't know whether the chassis was bespoke or came from a well-known truck builder.
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Hiawatha on April 24, 2020, 07:56:43 AM
Kassbohrer?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on April 24, 2020, 08:45:04 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Hiawatha on April 24, 2020, 02:06:54 PM
Oerenstein & Koppel?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on April 24, 2020, 02:19:28 PM
Good guess, but not them
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on April 25, 2020, 03:12:15 AM
Gmeinder?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on April 25, 2020, 04:20:05 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on April 28, 2020, 12:13:03 AM
Did the manufacturer also produce railway vehicles?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on April 28, 2020, 01:24:38 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Hiawatha on April 28, 2020, 06:39:33 PM
Any connection with P&H?
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Post by: gte4289 on April 28, 2020, 10:25:00 PM
DEMAG?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on April 29, 2020, 01:24:21 AM
Twice no
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on April 29, 2020, 01:58:22 AM
1960s?
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Post by: Wendax on April 29, 2020, 02:31:13 AM
Probably
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Post by: gte4289 on April 29, 2020, 03:40:13 AM
Fuchs?
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Post by: Wendax on April 29, 2020, 04:02:25 AM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on April 29, 2020, 08:54:38 PM
Does the brand still exist?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on April 30, 2020, 01:37:57 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on April 30, 2020, 11:28:38 PM
Electric or diesel?
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Post by: Wendax on May 01, 2020, 03:09:06 AM
Diesel
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Post by: gte4289 on May 20, 2020, 02:07:13 AM
Was the manufacturer primarily known for producing truck-based mobile cranes and similar vehicles (of a similar size and purpose)?
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Post by: Wendax on May 20, 2020, 02:45:42 AM
Yes, cranes and excavators
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on May 20, 2020, 03:54:14 AM
Weserhütte?
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Post by: Wendax on May 20, 2020, 04:32:37 AM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on May 20, 2020, 05:06:27 AM
Poclain?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on May 20, 2020, 05:49:31 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on May 20, 2020, 05:59:16 AM
Wehrhahn?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on May 20, 2020, 07:02:53 AM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on May 20, 2020, 07:37:56 AM
Gottwald?
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Post by: Wendax on May 20, 2020, 09:16:52 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on May 20, 2020, 09:22:05 AM
Of course. Menck?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on May 20, 2020, 09:46:43 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on May 20, 2020, 10:31:32 AM
Dolberg/Krupp-Dolberg?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on May 20, 2020, 11:28:19 AM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on May 20, 2020, 04:13:57 PM
Rheinstahl Union Brückenbau / P&H?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on May 21, 2020, 01:58:57 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on May 22, 2020, 04:54:39 PM
Strictly German, or was there a foreign connection?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on May 22, 2020, 05:09:44 PM
The company is strictly German, the crane chassis may include some foreign parts.
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on May 22, 2020, 05:13:07 PM
It looks a bit fragile despite the three-axle setup. Do you know if it was designed for a purpose other than construction (e.g., fire department, military)?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on May 22, 2020, 05:20:02 PM
I don't know, as the company built vehicles for construction, fire departments and military as well.
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on May 22, 2020, 05:59:47 PM
Sebnitz?
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Post by: Wendax on May 23, 2020, 01:55:10 AM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on May 23, 2020, 02:08:58 AM
Alfred Weber?
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Post by: Wendax on May 23, 2020, 02:40:12 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on May 26, 2020, 01:48:04 PM
EWK (Eisenwerke Kaiserslautern)?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on May 26, 2020, 03:24:25 PM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on May 26, 2020, 04:54:49 PM
Eder?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on May 27, 2020, 01:21:37 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on May 27, 2020, 01:48:22 AM
A. Gross?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on May 27, 2020, 02:13:42 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on May 27, 2020, 02:47:42 AM
Sennebogen?
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Post by: Wendax on May 27, 2020, 03:00:55 AM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on May 27, 2020, 03:36:30 AM
Eckart?
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Post by: Wendax on May 27, 2020, 04:26:43 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on May 28, 2020, 01:53:22 PM
Nilsson & Korte?
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on May 28, 2020, 02:22:17 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: gte4289 on May 28, 2020, 05:01:21 PM
With your other baumaschinen puzzle (https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2017-46/wendax-3154/), I suspected Robuster early on, but then eliminated it as an option for some unknown reason. I revisited it later and it turned out to be correct. Similarly, I suspected WILHAG early on with this puzzle, but then eliminated it for some reason which I can no longer remember. Hoping for a similar result... WILHAG?

By the way, the truck chassis appears to be a Kaelble KDV 680BF (ca. 1959). Compare with these examples (with and without WILHAG Type UA 832 crane). The chassis details/angle/lighting/etc on the first photograph is such a precise match for the puzzle image, that the artist must have based the image on this photo.
Title: Re: Wendax 3167
Post by: Wendax on May 29, 2020, 01:38:21 AM
1) Yes, it is a Wilhag (which stood for its founder's name Wilhelm Hagenkamp). One point for that.
2) I found this picture just labeled as Wilhag and I went through my book shelf and found a book about excavators where two similar looking Wilhag truck-based excavators were pictured, with "Wilhag" logo at the radiator and a caption that those chassis were built by Wilhag themselves. But you certainly are right with your Kaelble identification and there were quite a lot Wilhag cranes on Kaelble chassis. So there is another point for you. Well done!
Title: Re: Solved: Wendax 3167 - Wilhag crane on Kaelble KDV 680 BF chassis
Post by: gte4289 on May 29, 2020, 01:41:43 AM
Thanks for the points!
Title: Re: Solved: Wendax 3167 - Wilhag crane on Kaelble KDV 680 BF chassis
Post by: Hiawatha on May 30, 2020, 07:30:50 AM
So my reply number 15 was correct.. It is indeed a Kaelble.
Title: Re: Solved: Wendax 3167 - Wilhag crane on Kaelble KDV 680 BF chassis
Post by: Wendax on May 30, 2020, 08:03:23 AM
Sorry, I didn't know by then. It was the Wilhag name I was after.