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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2019 => Topic started by: Paul Jaray on June 02, 2018, 04:31:39 PM
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Here you are 40 cars.
Some of them are quite easy, other ones are pretty hard and many of them are still obscure to me too.
Each puzzler can post a guess ONE TIME and then wait 24hr for the next one.
In the same post, he can have a go to 3 different cars.
1 point for 4 correct answers.
10 points available (in theory...)
Consider that Alfa Romeo never made most of these cars and I'm after the actual builder. I know how they are named, but this is Autopuzzles ;)
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11-20
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21-30
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31-40
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Correct answers:
1arb: Alfa Romeo Sprint Barchetta 2500 CM 1955 by Giorgio Greppi Oko94
2arb: Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider Colli 1953 Carnut
3arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 CM Spider 1953 oko94
4arb: ASA 3000 CM by Nestor Salerno oko94
5arb: Alfa Romeo C52 3000 MM recreation owned by Al Cortes by Steve Bonacker Oko94
6arb: ASA C52 by Nestor Salerno Carnut
7arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 Spider Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Oko94.
8arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Spyder by Nestor Salerno oko94
9arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sportiva 1955 by Carrozzeria Marconato Oko94
10arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 'Conrero' Evocation by Giorgio Greppi Oko94
11arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Conrero 1955 by Giorgio Greppi Oko94
12arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Spider Colli Tubolare Gilco 1953 Wendax
13arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Fianchi Stretti recreation 1952 by Greppi Oko94
14arb: Alfa Romeo 6c 2500 Barchetta Evocation Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to oko94
15arb: Alfa Romeo 1900SS Barchetta Stradale 1954 by Giorgio Greppi Oko94
16arb: Alfa 1900 Barchetta with 2.4L Alfa Engine 1963 by Reklus Oko94
17arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Conrero by Reklus Oko94
18arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta 1953 from Argentina by Coto Girelli Oko94
19arb: Alfa Romeo Barchetta by Nestor Salerno ASA based on a '61 Giulietta Sprint Coupe Wendax
20arb: Alfa Romeo Sport Speciale by Nestor Salerno 1968 Carnut
21arb: Alfa RomeoDisco Volante recreation by Alexander Bacon Carnut
22arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR 1953 by Salvatore Diomante Oko94
23arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta 1953 by Nestor Salerno oko94
24arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Disco Volante 'fianchi stretti' recreation by OHA Automobiles Pnegyesi
25arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Frianchistretti Replica Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Wendax
26arb: Alfa Romeo 1800 Barchetta 1953 from Jakarta Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to pnegyesi
27arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Carnut.
28arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 C52 Disco Volante „fianchi stretti“ 1952 Wendax
29arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation by Motorima oko94
30arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante re-creation by Diego De Luca/Vintage Racing Cars oko94 ropat53
31arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante C52 by Touring Carnut
32arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Evocazione based on a 1900 by Carrozzeria Coriasco Pnegyesi
33arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante 'fianchi larghi' recreation based on a '58 1900 Super by Carrozzeria Ferrero Pnegyesi
34arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante 'fianchi larghi' recreation based on a '83 Duetto by Carrozzeria Ferrero Pnegyesi
35arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation from Georgia Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Wendax
36arb: Fiat 500 C Barchetta by Papini Wendax
37arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica Vintage Racing Cars / Jose Zarnes oko94 Wendax
38arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation based on a Eunos Roadster by Yoshinari Nakajima oko94
39arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica (Tom Zat's) Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to oko94
40arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sport 1954 by Giorgio Greppi Oko94
Bt1- Alfa Romeo Barchetta by Nestor Salerno Oko94
Bt2- Alfa Romeo Barchetta by Reklus Oko94
Bt3- 2 points if you know.
Results:
Oko94: 22 correct answers (1,3,4,5,7,9,10,11,13,14,15,16,17,18,22,23,29,30,37,38,39,40) plus 3 Bonus Alfas= 6 points
Carnut: 5 correct answers (2,6,20,27,31) plus 1 point for #21= 2 points
Wendax: 7 correct answers (12,19,25,28,35,36,37) = 1 point
Pnegyesi: 5 correct answers (24,26,32,33,34) = 1 point
ropat53: 1 correct answer (30) = 0 points
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3arb : 1953 Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 CM Zagato Spider, displayed at Pebble Beach in 2005.
14arb : Alfa Romeo Barchetta 2500 6C Derivata Barchetta Corsa Evocation, chassis : Fiat 1100 GILCO, engine : 1949 2500 6C Alfa Romeo. Featured in NEH 4061 puzzle.
30arb : Alfa Romeo Disco Volante re-creation made in Argentina.
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8arb: 1959 Alfa Romeo 2600 Conrero
10arb: 1953 Alfa Romeo 1900 Conrero
28arb: 1952 Alfa Romeo 1900 C52 Disco Volante „fianchi stretti“ at the Moulhouse museum
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:lmao: Great idea!
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3arb : 1953 Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 CM Zagato Spider, displayed at Pebble Beach in 2005.
14arb : Alfa Romeo Barchetta 2500 6C Derivata Barchetta Corsa Evocation, chassis : Fiat 1100 GILCO, engine : 1949 2500 6C Alfa Romeo. Featured in NEH 4061 puzzle.
30arb : Alfa Romeo Disco Volante re-creation made in Argentina.
3arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 CM Spider 1953 Correct!
14arb: Alfa Romeo never made such model. I doubt there's a Gilco chassis in there.
30arb: So far so good...but who made it?
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8arb: 1959 Alfa Romeo 2600 Conrero
10arb: 1953 Alfa Romeo 1900 Conrero
28arb: 1952 Alfa Romeo 1900 C52 Disco Volante „fianchi stretti“ at the Moulhouse museum
8arb & 10arb: They are not Alfa Romeo models and I suspect Conrero has nothing to do with them.
28arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 C52 Disco Volante „fianchi stretti“ Correct!
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:lmao: Great idea!
Thank you. I hope it will not be a nightmare.
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14arb: Alfa Romeo never made such model. I doubt there's a Gilco chassis in there.
I agree, it's not a genuine Alfa Romeo but an evocation including parts from various cars. Do you expect the builder's name ?
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30arb: So far so good...but who made it?
Vintage Racing Cars
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Fantastic puzzle! I'll have a go at these three:
20 arb is a Barchetta evocation built in Argentina in 1968 by Nestor Salerno with a 2000GTV engine.
2 arb is a 1953 Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider built by Colli.
5 arb is described as a 1954 Alfa 1900 Barchetta bodied by Colli; it seems to be an original.
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32arb: In the mid-1950s, a wealthy Milanese client commissioned Carrozzeria Corasco of Turin to build a copy of the famous Disco Volante around a tubular steel chassis of a 1954 Alfa Romeo 1900 Super dressed with aluminum bodywork.
Both 33arb and 34arb were built by Carozzeria Ferrero
I am getting very confused here, but I believe 33arb was built at the end of the 1980s, donor Alfa Romeo 1900 Super
34arb based on Alfa Romeo Spider, early 1980s
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Beautiful Cars!!!!
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14arb: Alfa Romeo never made such model. I doubt there's a Gilco chassis in there.
I agree, it's not a genuine Alfa Romeo but an evocation including parts from various cars. Do you expect the builder's name ?
Yes, when possible I'd like to know the real builders.
30arb: So far so good...but who made it?
Vintage Racing Cars
I know it seems just like that, but according to what I found it's not. VRC sells cars built by other too and this one cames from a different company.
Fantastic puzzle! I'll have a go at these three:
20 arb is a Barchetta evocation built in Argentina in 1968 by Nestor Salerno with a 2000GTV engine.
2 arb is a 1953 Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider built by Colli.
5 arb is described as a 1954 Alfa 1900 Barchetta bodied by Colli; it seems to be an original.
20arb: Alfa Romeo Sport Speciale by Nestor Salerno 1968 Correct!
2arb: Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider Colli 1953 Correct!
5arb: not an Alfa Romeo.
32arb: In the mid-1950s, a wealthy Milanese client commissioned Carrozzeria Corasco of Turin to build a copy of the famous Disco Volante around a tubular steel chassis of a 1954 Alfa Romeo 1900 Super dressed with aluminum bodywork.
Both 33arb and 34arb were built by Carozzeria Ferrero
I am getting very confused here, but I believe 33arb was built at the end of the 1980s, donor Alfa Romeo 1900 Super
34arb based on Alfa Romeo Spider, early 1980s
32arb: This is the story available around. I have the feeling Coriasco has nothing to do with it (and hopefully Als15's new book will solve the mistery) but so far I'll have to accept it.
Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Evocazione based on a 1900 by Carrozzeria Coriasco (?) Correct!
33arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante 'fianchi larghi' recreation based on a '58 1900 Super by Carrozzeria Ferrero Correct!
34arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante 'fianchi larghi' recreation based on a '83 Duetto by Carrozzeria Ferrero Correct!
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Fantastic puzzle! I'll have a go at these three:
20 arb is a Barchetta evocation built in Argentina in 1968 by Nestor Salerno with a 2000GTV engine.
2 arb is a 1953 Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider built by Colli.
5 arb is described as a 1954 Alfa 1900 Barchetta bodied by Colli; it seems to be an original.
20arb: Alfa Romeo Sport Speciale by Nestor Salerno 1968 Correct!
2arb: Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider Colli 1953 Correct!
5arb: not an Alfa Romeo.
Sorry - I made a mistake with 5 arb.
I didn't mean 5 arb at all - I meant 6 arb..
So my answer should have read:
6 arb is described as a 1954 Alfa 1900 Barchetta bodied by Colli; it seems to be an original.
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Fantastic puzzle! I'll have a go at these three:
20 arb is a Barchetta evocation built in Argentina in 1968 by Nestor Salerno with a 2000GTV engine.
2 arb is a 1953 Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider built by Colli.
5 arb is described as a 1954 Alfa 1900 Barchetta bodied by Colli; it seems to be an original.
20arb: Alfa Romeo Sport Speciale by Nestor Salerno 1968 Correct!
2arb: Alfa 6C 3000 CM Spider Colli 1953 Correct!
5arb: not an Alfa Romeo.
Sorry - I made a mistake with 5 arb.
I didn't mean 5 arb at all - I meant 6 arb..
So my answer should have read:
6 arb is described as a 1954 Alfa 1900 Barchetta bodied by Colli; it seems to be an original.
The answer doesn't change, that is not an original Alfa Romeo
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4arb : ASA 3000 CM by Nestor Salerno (Argentina).
8arb : Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Spyder by Nestor Salerno (Argentina).
29arb : Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation by Motorima (Sweden).
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12arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Spider Colli Tubolare Gilco, built in 1953 by Colli under the
leadership of Fusi, for a Mr. Benvenuti from Napoli using the 1900 mechanicals and
a Gilco chassis #0029853, also known as the Arenghi-Annoni car.
19arb: Alfa Romeo Barchetta, built in Argentina by Nestor Salerno/ASA based on a 1961 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Coupe, now powered by a 170 hp two-litre engine
36arb: 1954 Fiat 500 C Barchetta by Trevisan
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30arb: So far so good...but who made it?
Vintage Racing Cars
I know it seems just like that, but according to what I found it's not. VRC sells cars built by other too and this one cames from a different company.
As I have just posted a new 3-car guess, shall I wait another 24 hours before I try to complete my answer about 30arb ?
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4arb : ASA 3000 CM by Nestor Salerno (Argentina).
8arb : Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Spyder by Nestor Salerno (Argentina).
29arb : Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation by Motorima (Sweden).
4arb: Correct!
8arb: Correct!
29arb: Correct!
12arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Spider Colli Tubolare Gilco, built in 1953 by Colli under the
leadership of Fusi, for a Mr. Benvenuti from Napoli using the 1900 mechanicals and
a Gilco chassis #0029853, also known as the Arenghi-Annoni car.
19arb: Alfa Romeo Barchetta, built in Argentina by Nestor Salerno/ASA based on a 1961 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Coupe, now powered by a 170 hp two-litre engine
36arb: 1954 Fiat 500 C Barchetta by Trevisan
12arb: Correct!
19arb: Correct!
36arb: Not by Trevisan. (I found out the whole story of that car, finally)
30arb: So far so good...but who made it?
Vintage Racing Cars
I know it seems just like that, but according to what I found it's not. VRC sells cars built by other too and this one cames from a different company.
As I have just posted a new 3-car guess, shall I wait another 24 hours before I try to complete my answer about 30arb ?
Each 24 hours, you can have a go. You already score 3/3 with your last guess. Tomorrow, you can decide to use your 3 guesses to fix #30 or to solve others ;)
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Let's try 3 these then for today's guesses:
7 ARB: 1957 Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Conrero Telaio Tubolare
27 ARB: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Bertone prototype prepared by Conrero – 1954
31 ARB: Alfa Romeo Sport C52 Disco Volante by Touring
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Let's try 3 these then for today's guesses:
7 ARB: 1957 Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Conrero Telaio Tubolare
27 ARB: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Bertone prototype prepared by Conrero – 1954
31 ARB: Alfa Romeo Sport C52 Disco Volante by Touring
Things are going to be more complicated in the future. I do not have the answer to some of the cars in the puzzle: I will accept the mostly common name they are known by, but if anyone will find a conclusive proof, it will be settled.
7arb: I have not the answer to this. I suspect it's not original.
27arb: I have not a definitive answer but a strong suspect on this one.
31: Correct!
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30arb : built by Nestor Salerno ?
37arb : Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica featured on Vintage Racing Cars website, but maybe built by Nestor Salerno ?
38arb : Mazda MX-5/Miata-based Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica made in Japan ?
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5arb: Alfa Romeo C52 3000 MM Disco Volante recreation by Al Cortes of El Segundo, California
37arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Replica built in 1994 by Jose Zarnes in Argentina. Jose Zarnes had the technical drawings of the original car and didn't build this replica by reverse engineering. The car has an original Alfa 1600CM engine installed.
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30arb : built by Nestor Salerno ?
37arb : Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica featured on Vintage Racing Cars website, but maybe built by Nestor Salerno ?
38arb : Mazda MX-5/Miata-based Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica made in Japan ?
30arb: Not one of his cars
37: For this one I was going to accept VRC as well, but builder's name is not Salerno. Correct!
38: Yes, but who did it? Locked for you.
5arb: Alfa Romeo C52 3000 MM Disco Volante recreation by Al Cortes of El Segundo, California
37arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Replica built in 1994 by Jose Zarnes in Argentina. Jose Zarnes had the technical drawings of the original car and didn't build this replica by reverse engineering. The car has an original Alfa 1600CM engine installed.
5arb: He should be the owner. I have another name for the builder. Locked for you.
37arb: I found reference in VRC website but also an ad where it's credited to Zarnes. Correct!
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6 ARB: ASA C52 Monofaro 1 by Nestor Salerno. Copy of Alfa Romeo 1900 C52 Disco Volante fianchi stretti.
9 ARB: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sportiva 1955 in the Strada del Prosecco e Vini dei Colli 100 Miglia 2010.
Sold new to Austria as a 1900 C SS. Found without body and current owner had a body constructed on what was left of the frame. The new body was built in Austria but I don't know who by..
1 ARB: Alfa Romeo Sprint Barchetta 2500 CM 1955. Still looking for the builder though...
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38: Yes, but who did it? Locked for you.
OK, found it. See you tomorrow for the answer.
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Correct answers:
37arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica Vintage Racing Cars / Jose Zarnes Carnut Wendax
Actually 37arb was solved by Wendax & myself.
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Correct answers:
37arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica Vintage Racing Cars / Jose Zarnes Carnut Wendax
Actually 37arb was solved by Wendax & myself.
Yes, I sent PJ a PM.
So I should only have 3 pts so far and oko94 should have 5. He needs them more than I do!
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26arb: This was advertised as a 1953 Alfa Romeo Barchetta
"Tubular chassis taken from Conrero drawings and photos. All alloy doors, bonnet and boot including frames. body is in thin steel. Beautifully proportioned and with perfect dimensions from every angle. Correct 220 wheelbase and front /rear track. Fitted with Alfa type 116 1800 engine and Alfa type 105 1750 gearbox."
Previously this car appeared on a well-known Alfa website by a user, named "Fletcher". I believe he, Rupert Fletcher was the builder.
22arb. I believe this is the 1953 Alfa Romeo Disco Volante 3000
40arb. If I am not mistaken, this was built by Norberto Vigano - according to a Facebook page (not yours)
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Yes, I sent PJ a PM.
So I should only have 3 pts so far and oko94 should have 5. He needs them more than I do!
Surely, he even posted his last guess 45 seconds too early! ;D
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6 ARB: ASA C52 Monofaro 1 by Nestor Salerno. Copy of Alfa Romeo 1900 C52 Disco Volante fianchi stretti.
9 ARB: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sportiva 1955 in the Strada del Prosecco e Vini dei Colli 100 Miglia 2010.
Sold new to Austria as a 1900 C SS. Found without body and current owner had a body constructed on what was left of the frame. The new body was built in Austria but I don't know who by..
1 ARB: Alfa Romeo Sprint Barchetta 2500 CM 1955. Still looking for the builder though...
6arb: It is an ASA C52 by Nestor Salerno (the Monofaro is a replica of the Maserati A6GCS) Correct!
9arb: Nope. The car was indeed found in Austria, but was done somewhere else. I'm looking for its builder.
1arb: So far so good.
Correct answers:
37arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica Vintage Racing Cars / Jose Zarnes Carnut Wendax
Actually 37arb was solved by Wendax & myself.
Yes, I sent PJ a PM.
So I should only have 3 pts so far and oko94 should have 5. He needs them more than I do!
Fixed, thank you!
26arb: This was advertised as a 1953 Alfa Romeo Barchetta
"Tubular chassis taken from Conrero drawings and photos. All alloy doors, bonnet and boot including frames. body is in thin steel. Beautifully proportioned and with perfect dimensions from every angle. Correct 220 wheelbase and front /rear track. Fitted with Alfa type 116 1800 engine and Alfa type 105 1750 gearbox."
Previously this car appeared on a well-known Alfa website by a user, named "Fletcher". I believe he, Rupert Fletcher was the builder.
22arb. I believe this is the 1953 Alfa Romeo Disco Volante 3000
40arb. If I am not mistaken, this was built by Norberto Vigano - according to a Facebook page (not yours)
26arb: All correct.I am trying to find the builder and I have some good leads. In the meantime, I'll consider it solved with the builder's nationality alone. I am in contact with Fletcher, but he should not be the builder. Locked for you!
22arb: Not that, sorry.
40arb: This is one I have not a name but just a suspect. I'll accept just the model (how it is called and what engine it carries). If you'll find some evidence regarding that name, I'll be happy to know. Locked for you!
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1arb: Alfa Romeo Sprint Barchetta 2500 CM 1955 Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Carnut.
5arb: Alfa Romeo C52 3000 MM recreation owned by Al Cortes Who built it? Locked for Wendax
7arb:
9arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sportiva 1955 Who built it? Locked for Carnut
10arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 'Conrero' Evocation Who built it?
11arb:
13arb:
14arb: Alfa Romeo 6c 2500 Barchetta Evocation Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to oko94
15arb:
16arb:
17arb:
18arb:
21arb:
22arb:
23arb:
24arb:
25arb:
26arb: Alfa Romeo 1800 Barchetta 1953 Who built it? Locked for pnegyesi
27arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Carnut
30arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante re-creation from Argentina. Who built it?
35arb:
36arb:
38arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica based on a Mazda MX-5/Miata Who built it? Locked for oko94
39arb:
40arb: Locked for pnegyesi
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What particularly strikes me when searching for these cars is how difficult it is to find out who actually built the evocations.
Even the 'respectable' auction houses describe them as "Date of build: 1953" or whenever it looks like it's from. Then they go on in the blurb to say it is a homage to the 1950s Alfa Barchettas, built in the 1990s or whenever, but don't make any mention who actually built the bodywork.
I think they're preparing for the day when nobody knows the difference any more and they can pass off these cars as the real thing...
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Is it locked or can I answer who built 30arb?
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It is not locked, so pls go ahead
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16arb : Alfa 1900 Barchetta / 2.4L Alfa Engine. Year 1963. Tubular steel chassis, full alluminium Body, engine Alfa Romeo 2400cc, 4 cylinder, 2 carburator, 4 speed gear box, disc brake.
38arb : it's actually based on an Eunos Roadster and it was built by Yoshinari Nakajima, who owns a sheet metal workshop.
39arb : it's known as Tom Zat's Disco Volante, but I don't now if he built it himself or if it was built by someone else.
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Surely, he even posted his last guess 45 seconds too early! ;D
Today I've posted 50 second late to make you happy ;)
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Today three cars where I haven't been able to find a builder:
18arb: Said to be a 1956 Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta, engine block is from a 1952 AR 1900 Berlina, but the head is from a FNM 2300, so probably from Argentina too.
23arb: Alfa Romeo 1953 Barchetta Modificato 1900, number plate 961 UYR, built recently, registered in the UK and is documented on the V5C as a '1953 Alfa Romeo 1900'. the engine is Alfa Romeo's classic four-cylinder, twin-camshaft unit derived from the 60's Spider model.
25arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Frianchistretti Replica, Tube Frame, 2.0L Alfa Engine and Alfa Gearbox, Body is Fiberglass, inner fitting is in Aluminium. The car is right from Argentina.
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30arb: made by Diego de Luca
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11 ARB: Described as an Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Conrero - 1955 (although I've also seen it described as a copy of a 1952 Alfa 1900 Spider Colli Tubolare Gilco!)
17 ARB: Described as an Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Conrero
10 ARB: Was it built by Castagna?
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26arb: As the car was in Jakarta, I would say the builder is from Indonesia
40arb: I found this car for sale from 2012: "Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sport, 1954. Totally rebuild over the past 2 years, aluminum body, Freshly rebuild 1900cc engine, 120hp, 4-speed gearbox".
3rd car for today: 24arb was built by a company, called OHA Automobili in San Isidro, Buenos Aires, Argentina. The picture was taken at the 2017 Autoclasica festival
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16arb : Alfa 1900 Barchetta / 2.4L Alfa Engine. Year 1963. Tubular steel chassis, full alluminium Body, engine Alfa Romeo 2400cc, 4 cylinder, 2 carburator, 4 speed gear box, disc brake.
38arb : it's actually based on an Eunos Roadster and it was built by Yoshinari Nakajima, who owns a sheet metal workshop.
39arb : it's known as Tom Zat's Disco Volante, but I don't now if he built it himself or if it was built by someone else.
16arb: so far so good. Who built it? Locked for you.
38: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation based on a Eunos Roadster by Yoshinari Nakajima Correct!
39: That is all I have too. Correct!
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Today three cars where I haven't been able to find a builder:
18arb: Said to be a 1956 Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta, engine block is from a 1952 AR 1900 Berlina, but the head is from a FNM 2300, so probably from Argentina too.
23arb: Alfa Romeo 1953 Barchetta Modificato 1900, number plate 961 UYR, built recently, registered in the UK and is documented on the V5C as a '1953 Alfa Romeo 1900'. the engine is Alfa Romeo's classic four-cylinder, twin-camshaft unit derived from the 60's Spider model.
25arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Frianchistretti Replica, Tube Frame, 2.0L Alfa Engine and Alfa Gearbox, Body is Fiberglass, inner fitting is in Aluminium. The car is right from Argentina.
18arb: So far so good. Who built it? Locked for you.
23arb: So far so good. Who built it? Locked for you.
25arb: This is all I have on that too. Correct!
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30arb: made by Diego de Luca
You've been very sporty. The car was not locked but you waited and asked. Thank you.
This car is more complicated than expected. As ok94 wrote from the beginning, it can be found in Vintage Racing Cars website. But in their website you can find a lot of cars and some of them are made by someone else. For this reason I had to investigate on the ones I was in doubt. Another website features several pictures of this car under development, togheter with others you can find in VRC website. I found Diego de Luca name as well, and it's the one I was looking for.
:doh: After further investigation I suspect VRC is De Luca's company. Oko94 was right as well.
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And these?!:
11 ARB: Described as an Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Conrero - 1955 (although I've also seen it described as a copy of a 1952 Alfa 1900 Spider Colli Tubolare Gilco!)
17 ARB: Described as an Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Conrero
10 ARB: Was it built by Castagna?
26arb: As the car was in Jakarta, I would say the builder is from Indonesia
40arb: I found this car for sale from 2012: "Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sport, 1954. Totally rebuild over the past 2 years, aluminum body, Freshly rebuild 1900cc engine, 120hp, 4-speed gearbox".
3rd car for today: 24arb was built by a company, called OHA Automobili in San Isidro, Buenos Aires, Argentina. The picture was taken at the 2017 Autoclasica festival
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11 ARB: Described as an Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Conrero - 1955 (although I've also seen it described as a copy of a 1952 Alfa 1900 Spider Colli Tubolare Gilco!)
17 ARB: Described as an Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Conrero
10 ARB: Was it built by Castagna?
11arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Conrero 1955 - so far so good. Who built it? Locked for you
17arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Conrero - This is what I have too. The real builder is missing, thou. Correct!
10arb: Not Castagna.
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26arb: As the car was in Jakarta, I would say the builder is from Indonesia
40arb: I found this car for sale from 2012: "Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sport, 1954. Totally rebuild over the past 2 years, aluminum body, Freshly rebuild 1900cc engine, 120hp, 4-speed gearbox".
3rd car for today: 24arb was built by a company, called OHA Automobili in San Isidro, Buenos Aires, Argentina. The picture was taken at the 2017 Autoclasica festival
26arb: Yes! He made 2 more cars. I have them all and I'm confident I'll have a name soon. Correct!
40arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sport, 1954 - I have a couple of suspects, but I have to accept that. Correct!
24arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Disco Volante 'fianchi stretti' recreation by OHA Automobiles Correct!
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Still out there:
1arb: Alfa Romeo Sprint Barchetta 2500 CM 1955 Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Carnut.
5arb: Alfa Romeo C52 3000 MM recreation owned by Al Cortes Who built it?
7arb:
9arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sportiva 1955 Who built it?
10arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 'Conrero' Evocation Who built it?
11arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Conrero 1955 Who built it?
13arb:
14arb: Alfa Romeo 6c 2500 Barchetta Evocation Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to oko94
15arb: Alfa Romeo 1900SS barchetta Stradale Who built it?
16arb: Alfa 1900 Barchetta with 2.4L Alfa Engine 1963 Who built it?
17arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Conrero Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Carnut.
18arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta 1953 from Argentina Who built it?
21arb:
22arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR Who built it?
23arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta 1953 from Argentina Who built it?
25arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Frianchistretti Replica Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Wendax
26arb: Alfa Romeo 1800 Barchetta 1953 from Jakarta Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to pnegyesi
27arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Carnut.
35arb:
36arb: Fiat 500 C Barchetta Who built it?
39arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica (Tom Zat's) Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to oko94
40arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sport 1954 Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to pnegyesi
I will consider all locks above expired after 2 days from now ;)
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And these?!:
11 ARB: Described as an Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Conrero - 1955 (although I've also seen it described as a copy of a 1952 Alfa 1900 Spider Colli Tubolare Gilco!)
17 ARB: Described as an Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Conrero
10 ARB: Was it built by Castagna?
26arb: As the car was in Jakarta, I would say the builder is from Indonesia
40arb: I found this car for sale from 2012: "Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sport, 1954. Totally rebuild over the past 2 years, aluminum body, Freshly rebuild 1900cc engine, 120hp, 4-speed gearbox".
3rd car for today: 24arb was built by a company, called OHA Automobili in San Isidro, Buenos Aires, Argentina. The picture was taken at the 2017 Autoclasica festival
Sorry, I need a lot of patience and assistance with this one ;)
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7arb : 1952 Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 Spider
22arb : Christopher Mann's 1953 Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR (Paso Ridotto)
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21arb: Alfa Romeo custom bodied in Disco Volante style from California
35arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation from Georgia, USA
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7arb : 1952 Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 Spider
22arb : Christopher Mann's 1953 Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR (Paso Ridotto)
7arb: That is all I have too, so far. Correct!
22arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR 1953 Who built it? Locked for you
21arb: Alfa Romeo custom bodied in Disco Volante style from California
35arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation from Georgia, USA
21arb: That is more or less all I have too Correct!
35arb: That is more or less all I have too Correct!
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22arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR 1953 Who built it? Locked for you
Chassis was factory-built (supposedly an evolution of the 6C 3000 CM). According to some sources the body was made by Touring.
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Not Touring.
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7arb: That is all I have too, so far. Correct!
22arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR 1953 Who built it? Locked for you
Please check the synthesis in reply #4, you have attributed these solutions to Carnut once again ;)
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Just for my understanding of the rules: Does the 24-hours gap not apply to answering the "Who built it?" questions also?
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I made only two guesses last night so I had one left to do.
Well I've read the rules again and apparently I should have made the three guesses in the same post.
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7arb: That is all I have too, so far. Correct!
22arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR 1953 Who built it? Locked for you
Please check the synthesis in reply #4, you have attributed these solutions to Carnut once again ;)
Fixed, sorry.
Just for my understanding of the rules: Does the 24-hours gap not apply to answering the "Who built it?" questions also?
I made only two guesses last night so I had one left to do.
Well I've read the rules again and apparently I should have made the three guesses in the same post.
NEW RULE: NO RULES
no more locks & free guesses
be sporty ;)
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22arb: built by Colli ?
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13arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta ?
15arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta ?
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I think 15 ARB might be an AR 1900S Zagato Spider Conrero 1957 OR more likely an AR 1900SS Barchetta Stradale 1954?
I also had 22 as by Touring but you say it isn't so must keep looking:
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22arb: built by Colli ?
22arb: not Colli
13arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta ?
15arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta ?
13arb: Not the name I have for that.
15arb: Not enough, sorry.
I think 15 ARB might be an AR 1900S Zagato Spider Conrero 1957 OR more likely an AR 1900SS Barchetta Stradale 1954?
I also had 22 as by Touring but you say it isn't so must keep looking:
15arb: Alfa Romeo 1900SS barchetta Stradale is the name given to this recreation. The year I have is different (but whi knows!). Who built it?
22arb: it's not a guess, and you are right.
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22 ARB was written off at Monza in 1954 and I suppose was rebuilt and ended up in a museum.
It ended up in the UK in 1985 and its new owners Henry Wessells III and Christopher Mann set about restoring it.
There was so little of the original left that there is some doubt about whether it's original, restored or recreated!
Wessells has since died but the car is still in the hands of Christopher Mann.
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36arb: 1954 Fiat 500 C Barchetta by Trevisan
36arb: Not by Trevisan. (I found out the whole story of that car, finally)
But even though it is not by Trevisan, is it a 1954 Fiat 500 C Barchetta?
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22 ARB was written off at Monza in 1954 and I suppose was rebuilt and ended up in a museum.
It ended up in the UK in 1985 and its new owners Henry Wessells III and Christopher Mann set about restoring it.
There was so little of the original left that there is some doubt about whether it's original, restored or recreated!
Wessells has since died but the car is still in the hands of Christopher Mann.
22ARB There is a lot of confusion about these cars. This puzzle should make some order, hopefully. The car #22 is still out there.
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36arb: 1954 Fiat 500 C Barchetta by Trevisan
36arb: Not by Trevisan. (I found out the whole story of that car, finally)
But even though it is not by Trevisan, is it a 1954 Fiat 500 C Barchetta?
Yes, of course.
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13 ARB seems to be called Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Narrowside (Fianchi Stretti).. built in 1952 maybe by Touring?
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Narrowside is just the translation of Fianchi Stretti. I guess you had your automatic translator on? ;D
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Narrowside is just the translation of Fianchi Stretti. I guess you had your automatic translator on? ;D
Aha - Fianchi Stretti seems to be acceptable as part of the name (see 25 and 28, solved by you) so maybe I'll change it to that!
I picked the picture up from an American site and that's what it was called there so I didn't translate anything...
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Re 22 ARB..
Doesn't the car I have highlighted in the extract below refer to the car in question?
Although it seems to have been entered in the 2014 Goodwood Revival as a 3000 CM Zagato Spider, so it might be 1361.000125, which transformed into a Zagato Spider in 1955 - shortly after it was destroyed at Monza... And that car is shown as belonging to Henry Wessells III, so it might be that car after all. In which case the body seems to have been built by Zagato!
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13 ARB seems to be called Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Narrowside (Fianchi Stretti).. built in 1952 maybe by Touring?
13arb: That is what I have too. It is a modern recreation (as the 90% of the cars in this puzzle is). I have not the definitive proof about its builder. Correct!
Re 22 ARB..
Doesn't the car I have highlighted in the extract below refer to the car in question?
Although it seems to have been entered in the 2014 Goodwood Revival as a 3000 CM Zagato Spider, so it might be 1361.000125, which transformed into a Zagato Spider in 1955 - shortly after it was destroyed at Monza... And that car is shown as belonging to Henry Wessells III, so it might be that car after all. In which case the body seems to have been built by Zagato!
22arb: I will help you a lot. The Zagato spider is 3ARB. The car destroyed at Monza is gone for good. Not Zagato, Colli or Touring.
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I know the answer for these 11 cars. Consider the year as indicative.
1arb: Alfa Romeo Sprint Barchetta 2500 CM 1955
5arb: Alfa Romeo C52 3000 MM recreation owned by Al Cortes
9arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sportiva 1955
10arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 'Conrero' Evocation
11arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Conrero 1955
15arb: Alfa Romeo 1900SS Barchetta Stradale 1954
16arb: Alfa 1900 Barchetta with 2.4L Alfa Engine 1963
18arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta 1953 from Argentina
22arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR 1953
36arb: Fiat 500 C Barchetta
40arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sport 1954
I do not have a definitive proof for these 10 cars. If anyone will find the solution, it will be worth a point (and not 1/4 of it), if no solution will arrive in a reasonable time, points will be awarded to the puzzler who find the name as it is known. The year is indicative.
7arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 Spider Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to oko94.
13arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Fianchi Stretti recreation 1952 Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Carnut.
14arb: Alfa Romeo 6c 2500 Barchetta Evocation Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to oko94
17arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Conrero Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Carnut.
21arb: Alfa RomeoDisco Volante recreation from California Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Wendax
25arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Frianchistretti Replica Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Wendax
26arb: Alfa Romeo 1800 Barchetta 1953 from Jakarta Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to pnegyesi
27arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Carnut.
35arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation from Georgia Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Wendax
39arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica (Tom Zat's) Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to oko94
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18arb: built by Nestor Salerno ?
22arb: was it built circa 1954 or is it a modern recreation ?
23arb: built by Nestor Salerno ?
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18arb: built by Nestor Salerno ?
22arb: was it built circa 1954 or is it a modern recreation ?
23arb: built by Nestor Salerno ?
18arb: not by him.
22arb: not built in '54. A modern car.
23arb: I thought it was the easiest one left! Correct!
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I thought I (almost) got 15 ARB (the name anyway but not the builder) but it's still shown as a blank (the only one...) on your latest list?:
I think 15 ARB might be an AR 1900S Zagato Spider Conrero 1957 OR more likely an AR 1900SS Barchetta Stradale 1954?
I also had 22 as by Touring but you say it isn't so must keep looking:
15arb: Alfa Romeo 1900SS barchetta Stradale is the name given to this recreation. The year I have is different (but whi knows!). Who built it?
22arb: it's not a guess, and you are right.
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1arb: built in Argentina ?
5arb: built in Argentina ?
9arb: built in Argentina ?
10arb: built in Argentina ?
11arb: built in Argentina ?
18arb: built by Vintage Racing Cars ?
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36 ARB is said to have been built by a coachbuilder named Trevisan, who is located in north-east Italy.
Below are a couple of photos; the blurb with them said the car was built in 1950 (one of a handful built for racing) but there's also a period photo which says it was built in 1954, although it also states "1950-1954", perhaps indicating it was made for four years.
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I already had posted it as buit by Trevisan, but that seems to be wrong.
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I already had posted it as buit by Trevisan, but that seems to be wrong.
Sorry, I didn't see that.
I guess it must be a re-creation.
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I thought I (almost) got 15 ARB (the name anyway but not the builder) but it's still shown as a blank (the only one...) on your latest list?:
I think 15 ARB might be an AR 1900S Zagato Spider Conrero 1957 OR more likely an AR 1900SS Barchetta Stradale 1954?
I also had 22 as by Touring but you say it isn't so must keep looking:
15arb: Alfa Romeo 1900SS barchetta Stradale is the name given to this recreation. The year I have is different (but whi knows!). Who built it?
22arb: it's not a guess, and you are right.
You are right. Please, consider that the same car can be listed in several different places with different names. In this case I know the builder and the name is not that relevant (it's pure fiction). In other cases, I do not know the builder (or I have just an idea) and the name is enough (even if it's pure fiction).
1arb: built in Argentina ?
5arb: built in Argentina ?
9arb: built in Argentina ?
10arb: built in Argentina ?
11arb: built in Argentina ?
18arb: built by Vintage Racing Cars ?
1arb: no
5arb: no
9arb: no
10arb: no
11arb: no
18arb: no
36 ARB is said to have been built by a coachbuilder named Trevisan, who is located in north-east Italy.
Below are a couple of photos; the blurb with them said the car was built in 1950 (one of a handful built for racing) but there's also a period photo which says it was built in 1954, although it also states "1950-1954", perhaps indicating it was made for four years.
Bruno Trevisan was an Alfa Romeo engineer who died years before this car was born. He has nothing to do with it, or at least, not directly. I found definitive proof and evidence about the actual builder of this car.
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Noted!
Below is an ad for the car which appeared in Issue No. 1 of Ruoteclassiche, 11/1987.
Also here is the car when PJ puzzled it right here on AP!:
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2009-37/solved-pj86-trevisan-topolino-1954/
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7 ARB: I have it as by Colli, but since it seems to be a replica rather than original I don't suppose that can be right...
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Noted!
Below is an ad for the car which appeared in Issue No. 1 of Ruoteclassiche, 11/1987.
Also here is the car when PJ puzzled it right here on AP!:
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2009-37/solved-pj86-trevisan-topolino-1954/
I use to keep digging on each car I am not sure about. Many times I can't find anything new but sometimes, like in this case (and few others you will find here on AP too, expecially in my Etceterini Madness puzzles) I am lucky and some reliable sources are found. The owner had no clue. The papers reveal zero...but still the car was not a modern car. I saw it myself and few experts had the same impression. Then, out of the blue, looking for a totally different car, I not only found a period picture of this very car, but in that picture there was a young lady at the steering wheel: she is the builder's daughter, still alive and has a facebook page too! To close the matter, I made contact with a friend of the family too who confirmed the version. In addition to that, this is not the only car he made. :D
7 ARB: I have it as by Colli, but since it seems to be a replica rather than original I don't suppose that can be right...
7arb: locked for you for a complete answer.
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Thanks for the lock.
I haven't found any actual evidence that this was by Colli, but it might have been since all the 3000 CM's which followed it were by Colli; it was described as a Colli Spider on one website.
It is the 2nd Disco Volante 3000 prototype, chassis number 1361.00012, from 1952, so it's an Alfa Romeo 6C3000 Spider.
It was made originally as a Spider; the first prototype was by Touring but it doesn't say on the Italian Car Registry who built this second one (see below).
It went out to Argentina way back (possibly in the 1950s) and ended up as a road car; see the picture below for how it was found.
The car was later returned to its original appearance, which is still how it appears (rear view pictured below).
It carries the registration number BI943896.
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1arb: built in Europe ?
5arb: built in Europe ?
9arb: built in Europe ?
10arb: built in Europe ?
11arb: built in Europe ?
22arb: built in Europe ?
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22 ARB: This is the 6C 3000 PR (as already identified), or rather it's based on it but like a lot of these cars there are not many original parts left apart from the engine and some mechanical bits.
I believe the full restoration/rebuild was carried out at the Ferrari Classiche workshops?
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Thanks for the lock.
I haven't found any actual evidence that this was by Colli, but it might have been since all the 3000 CM's which followed it were by Colli; it was described as a Colli Spider on one website.
It is the 2nd Disco Volante 3000 prototype, chassis number 1361.00012, from 1952, so it's an Alfa Romeo 6C3000 Spider.
It was made originally as a Spider; the first prototype was by Touring but it doesn't say on the Italian Car Registry who built this second one (see below).
It went out to Argentina way back (possibly in the 1950s) and ended up as a road car; see the picture below for how it was found.
The car was later returned to its original appearance, which is still how it appears (rear view pictured below).
It carries the registration number BI943896.
I was prepared for some mistakes and here they are. 7arb was already assigned to oko94 and "Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 Spider" is more or less what I have to. I saw that website but there is not a conclusive proof about it. It's definetly too new to be original and my opinion is that is not. I would bet on Nestor Salerno, but I have nothing so far. I hope you did not waste too much time on that, sorry.
1arb: built in Europe ?
5arb: built in Europe ?
9arb: built in Europe ?
10arb: built in Europe ?
11arb: built in Europe ?
22arb: built in Europe ?
1arb: Yes
5arb: No
9arb: Yes
10arb: Yes
11arb: Yes
22arb: Yes
22 ARB: This is the 6C 3000 PR (as already identified), or rather it's based on it but like a lot of these cars there are not many original parts left apart from the engine and some mechanical bits.
I believe the full restoration/rebuild was carried out at the Ferrari Classiche workshops?
22arb: The car was build in a workshop, but not Ferrari Classiche's. I have some pics showing the process.
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Thanks for the lock.
I haven't found any actual evidence that this was by Colli, but it might have been since all the 3000 CM's which followed it were by Colli; it was described as a Colli Spider on one website.
It is the 2nd Disco Volante 3000 prototype, chassis number 1361.00012, from 1952, so it's an Alfa Romeo 6C3000 Spider.
It was made originally as a Spider; the first prototype was by Touring but it doesn't say on the Italian Car Registry who built this second one (see below).
It went out to Argentina way back (possibly in the 1950s) and ended up as a road car; see the picture below for how it was found.
The car was later returned to its original appearance, which is still how it appears (rear view pictured below).
It carries the registration number BI943896.
I was prepared for some mistakes and here they are. 7arb was already assigned to oko94 and "Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 Spider" is more or less what I have to. I saw that website but there is not a conclusive proof about it. It's definetly too new to be original and my opinion is that is not. I would bet on Nestor Salerno, but I have nothing so far. I hope you did not waste too much time on that, sorry.
22arb: The car was build in a workshop, but not Ferrari Classiche's. I have some pics showing the process.
Thanks. I know oko94 had already identified it but you're still asking "who built it" on p1 so I thought I'd found that..
So it's not Chassis 1361.00012 at all? But it's the same car that's pictured as found in Argentina?
It did actually say on another site that the car might actually be a 6C3000 CM which has been changed into the replica of the 6C 3000 PR as which it masquerades, but there was little proof of anything. As there seems to be for most of these cars! Hence my comments in my Reply #36.
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All I know about that car comes from that website. There are speculations and theories, but nothing more, unfortunately.
It can't be the same as 3000PR, because they are both alive:
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Yes, I think I'm getting confused..
All I can see when I go to bed is Alfa Barchettas flashing before my eyes! I think I'll stop scouring the websites as there seems to be little useful information on them and much mis-information...
There was one website which mentioned one of these cars as being built by Colli but in Touring's workshop, as they were opposite each other on the same street! I can't remember which one it was now (maybe it was 22 ARB), but I guess it wasn't what you were looking for anyway as no doubt the car in question is now a rebuild/recreation so that won't be the answer...
What's the chassis no. of 22 ARB then? Is it 1361.000125?
EDIT:
On another thread it says 22 ARB went out to Brazil after it had been badly damaged in the crash which injured Sanesi and had been rebodied. It says it spent many years in the owner's museum in Brazil before being brought back to the UK by well-known dealer Colin Crabbe, who sold it to Christopher Mann, who is of course still the owner. No mention of who built it into the car it is today though.
All these sites bear out what I said before: it's only a matter of time before the lines are blurred and these cars become 'original' because there will be nobody left who knows otherwise and there seems to be so little written about how they ended up looking like they do today. We're nearly there already in fact. And the thread goes on to say that the Goodwood scrutineers were somewhat miffed when they couldn't find the chassis plate anywhere on the car...
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1arb: built in Italy ?
9arb: built in Italy ?
10arb: built in Italy ?
11arb: built in Italy ?
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22arb: some source says the car has been built by Henri Wessels III.
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Yes, I think I'm getting confused..
All I can see when I go to bed is Alfa Barchettas flashing before my eyes! I think I'll stop scouring the websites as there seems to be little useful information on them and much mis-information...
There was one website which mentioned one of these cars as being built by Colli but in Touring's workshop, as they were opposite each other on the same street! I can't remember which one it was now (maybe it was 22 ARB), but I guess it wasn't what you were looking for anyway as no doubt the car in question is now a rebuild/recreation so that won't be the answer...
What's the chassis no. of 22 ARB then? Is it 1361.000125?
EDIT:
On another thread it says 22 ARB went out to Brazil after it had been badly damaged in the crash which injured Sanesi and had been rebodied. It says it spent many years in the owner's museum in Brazil before being brought back to the UK by well-known dealer Colin Crabbe, who sold it to Christopher Mann, who is of course still the owner. No mention of who built it into the car it is today though.
All these sites bear out what I said before: it's only a matter of time before the lines are blurred and these cars become 'original' because there will be nobody left who knows otherwise and there seems to be so little written about how they ended up looking like they do today. We're nearly there already in fact. And the thread goes on to say that the Goodwood scrutineers were somewhat miffed when they couldn't find the chassis plate anywhere on the car...
;D , I see barchettas everywhere too...and since I started this puzzle, I found 2 more to add. Regards 22arb, not Colli or Touring, because it's a modern recreation. Its chassis number is a mistery...and that's not a good sign. I know who created the car but I have no info about the details of it. I'll suggest you to focus on those names known for recreating cars like that ;)
1arb: built in Italy ?
9arb: built in Italy ?
10arb: built in Italy ?
11arb: built in Italy ?
Yes to all.
22arb: some source says the car has been built by Henri Wessels III.
Nope, and not an entirely obscure name.
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22arb : built by Greppi ?
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1arb: built by Salvatore Diomante ?
9arb: built by Salvatore Diomante ?
10arb: built by Salvatore Diomante ?
11arb: built by Salvatore Diomante ?
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22arb : built by Greppi ?
1arb: built by Salvatore Diomante ?
9arb: built by Salvatore Diomante ?
10arb: built by Salvatore Diomante ?
11arb: built by Salvatore Diomante ?
No & no & no & no & no.
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5arb : built in North America ?
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5arb : built in North America ?
Yes
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5arb: built in USA by International Auto Parts (now Centerline International) ?
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5arb: built in USA by International Auto Parts (now Centerline International) ?
Not the name I have.
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5arb : several sources mention that it was built by Al Cortes himself; are you looking for the name of a company owned by Al Cortes ?
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I think nr 7 was built by Salvatore Diomante
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5arb : several sources mention that it was built by Al Cortes himself; are you looking for the name of a company owned by Al Cortes ?
It was not built by him. I am in contact with a close friend of AL. I had him ask Cortes for a confirmation of the name I had. It is correct. ;)
The car was built by another guy and I have his company name too, but it's not related to Cortes'.
I think nr 7 was built by Salvatore Diomante
I really don't know.
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21 ARB: Built by Alexander Bacon?
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21 ARB: Built by Alexander Bacon?
I have no idea. If that's the correct name, that would be 1 point for you (and not 1/3).
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1arb: built by Greppi ?
9arb: built by Greppi ?
10arb: built by Greppi ?
11arb: built by Greppi ?
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1arb: built by Greppi ?
9arb: built by Greppi ?
10arb: built by Greppi ?
11arb: built by Greppi ?
1arb: Yes!
9arb: Nope
10arb: Yes!
11arb: Yes!
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Wow, I didn't expect to solve 3 in 1 shot ! Let's see if I keep on being lucky :
22arb : built by Salvatore Diomante ?
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Wow, I didn't expect to solve 3 in 1 shot ! Let's see if I keep on being lucky :
22arb : built by Salvatore Diomante ?
22arb: Yes! What took you so long? ;D
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Well I couldn't find any evidence and I guess I got tired of it at some point.
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9arb: built by Carrozzeria Ferrero ?
15arb: built by Greppi ?
16arb: built by Carrozzeria Ferrero ?
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9arb: built by Carrozzeria Ferrero ?
15arb: built by Greppi ?
16arb: built by Carrozzeria Ferrero ?
9arb: Nope
15: Yes!
16: Nope
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This puzzle is not that hard after all ;D
There's a small error in the synthesis (reply #4), I should have 13 points if I'm not mistaken.
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This puzzle is not that hard after all ;D
There's a small error in the synthesis (reply #4), I should have 13 points if I'm not mistaken.
If you only knew....
Thanks, I'll fix it.
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5arb: built in USA by a company known for other classic car recreations ?
9arb: built in Italy by an entity that has already been mentioned in this puzzle ?
16arb: built in Italy by an entity that has already been mentioned in this puzzle ?
18arb: built in Argentina by a company known for other classic car recreations ?
36arb: built in Italy by an entity that has already been mentioned in this puzzle ?
40arb: built in Italy by an entity that has already been mentioned in this puzzle ?
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5arb: built in USA by a company known for other classic car recreations ?
9arb: built in Italy by an entity that has already been mentioned in this puzzle ?
16arb: built in Italy by an entity that has already been mentioned in this puzzle ?
18arb: built in Argentina by a company known for other classic car recreations ?
36arb: built in Italy by an entity that has already been mentioned in this puzzle ?
40arb: built in Italy by an entity that has already been mentioned in this puzzle ?
5arb: I have builder's name. There are very few references about him. His company is much more obscure. His name is enough.
9arb: Yes!
16arb: Not from Italy, not mentioned on this puzzle before.
18arb: I have builder's name. I know just this one made by him.
36arb: no
40arb: yes
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40arb: built by Greppi ?
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40arb: Yes!
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9arb: built by Carrozzeria Ferrero ?
15arb: built by Greppi ?
16arb: built by Carrozzeria Ferrero ?
9arb: Nope
15: Yes!
16: Nope
It's only awarded to the one who names the builder then, with nothing for the one who identified the car (which probably led to the identification of the builder)? I'm thinking of 15 ARB.
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I know it seems unfair, but I hope it's not.
These cars are all over the web. If you google "Alfa Romeo Barchetta", you can find 25/30 of them. To find how they are named it's not hard, after all. If I do not have anything more, that would be enough. But when I do know the builder, that's what I'm looking for. Those names are pure fiction.
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9arb: built by Colli ?
16arb: built in Europe ?
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I know it seems unfair, but I hope it's not.
These cars are all over the web. If you google "Alfa Romeo Barchetta", you can find 25/30 of them. To find how they are named it's not hard, after all. If I do not have anything more, that would be enough. But when I do know the builder, that's what I'm looking for. Those names are pure fiction.
Well OK, but 15 ARB took a lot of finding..
Google even for the answer, "Alfa Romeo 1900SS Barchetta Stradale 1954" and you don't get anything without a great deal of patience and certainly Googling for Alfa Barchettas doesn't bring it up at all. It took me many hours to get that name and there's no mention of the builder that I have found on the web, so it was probably just a guess?
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9arb: built by Colli ?
16arb: built in Europe ?
9arb: Not Colli
16arb: Not Europe
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I know it seems unfair, but I hope it's not.
These cars are all over the web. If you google "Alfa Romeo Barchetta", you can find 25/30 of them. To find how they are named it's not hard, after all. If I do not have anything more, that would be enough. But when I do know the builder, that's what I'm looking for. Those names are pure fiction.
Well OK, but 15 ARB took a lot of finding..
Google even for the answer, "Alfa Romeo 1900SS Barchetta Stradale 1954" and you don't get anything without a great deal of patience and certainly Googling for Alfa Barchettas doesn't bring it up at all. It took me many hours to get that name and there's no mention of the builder that I have found on the web, so it was probably just a guess?
When I started this goup puzzle I knew I was going into many troubles.
I'll try to be as equal as possible.
I had 40 cars and many of them were/are built by the same few names. This is why I decided to award 1 point for 3 correct guesses. You can find a good number of them within few minutes BUT not the correct info. I had to dig a lot for that. I received papers, I made some phone calls and I had to ask to many people in the know.
There still can be errors because, like you wrote, there is a mistery surrounding these cars.
I didn't want to award 11 points for just 2 names: Greppi and Salerno.
On the other hand, how can I award your efforts for finding the model's name? In other cases those names were easy to find and I don't know how to set the limit.
I decided to give points only to complete answers and the builder was missing. I know he just guessed, but he did it many times before he found the right one and in this case it worked. It won't work for the missing ones, but with the right questions it can be done.
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9arb: genuine classic car ?
16arb: built in South America ?
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9arb: genuine classic car ?
16arb: built in South America ?
9arb: no, it's not.
16arb: yes!
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You're not paying attention oko94!
As I already said:
9 ARB: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sportiva 1955 in the Strada del Prosecco e Vini dei Colli 100 Miglia 2010.
Sold new to Austria as a 1900 C SS. Found without body and current owner had a body constructed on what was left of the frame. The new
body was built in Austria but I don't know who by..
In fact I was wrong about the new body being built in Austria, but I don't know where it was built. Maybe Italy, Switzerland or Germany, but it's definitely an evocation or a recreation as I believe the new owner tried to follow the lines of the original body without ever actually seeing it!! So you'll have to keep guessing...
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Thanks Carnut, it's hard to keep track of so many cars !
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9arb: built by Trevisan ?
16arb: built in Argentina ?
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9arb: built by Trevisan ?
16arb: built in Argentina ?
9arb: Trevisan si not a car maker. Nothing to do with that name.
16arb: Yes!
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9arb: built in Italy by an entity that has already been mentioned in this puzzle ?
You answered "Yes" to that and I'm totally confused. It has already been stated it's not a classic car and it's not by Greppi, Diomante or Ferrero. I can't find any other Italian name in this puzzle apart from the classic coachbuilders (Castagna, Touring, Zagato). Norberto Vigano sounds rather Italian but he seems to be from Argentina. Have I missed something ?
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9arb: built in Italy by an entity that has already been mentioned in this puzzle ?
You answered "Yes" to that and I'm totally confused. It has already been stated it's not a classic car and it's not by Greppi, Diomante or Ferrero. I can't find any other Italian name in this puzzle apart from the classic coachbuilders (Castagna, Touring, Zagato). Norberto Vigano sounds rather Italian but he seems to be from Argentina. Have I missed something ?
Nope, I am the one missing something...the time to do things right, it seems. I thought you meant "already mentioned in Autopuzzles".
To repair my mistake, I am going to give you all a big hint, to this puzzle and to some more of mine.
I am leaving probably the only way to the solution to some puzzles of mine in each and very post I made, literally.
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The best way to hide something is in plain sight :lmao:
Alright, so let's start with 5arb, built by Steve Bonacker / Stray Dog Garage.
Let's give a chance to other players, that's all I post tonight.
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9arb : built by Marconato.
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36arb: Built by Papini of Riccione.
I don't see much sense in solving the puzzle this way, total lack of fun. :(
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The best way to hide something is in plain sight :lmao:
Alright, so let's start with 5arb, built by Steve Bonacker / Stray Dog Garage.
Let's give a chance to other players, that's all I post tonight.
That's it!
9arb : built by Marconato.
That's it.
36arb: Built by Papini of Riccione.
I don't see much sense in solving the puzzle this way, total lack of fun. :(
Papini is correct.
I'm open to suggestions.
I discovered those names after long searches. I had the feeling that it would have taken you years and I thought it was not that fun either. Let's see the missing ones, then.
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I agree with Wendax.
I'm out of it; I just don't have the time to spend the entire day looking!
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These are the missing ones:
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I agree with Wendax.
I'm out of it; I just don't have the time to spend the entire day looking!
It saddens me to see that it's so hard trying to do the right thing to please you all.
I won't stress much about how much time it took me to prepare such a puzzle.
I was more interested in sharing what I found, than let you spend days looking for answers. I already knew some of them are definetly too obscure.
I will take note of the answers of you all and award points considering all your efforts (and your lack of).
There were other puzzles waiting, but I think I will learn from this and present some 'traditional ones'.
Carnut, you are one of the best players and the missing ones (except a couple) are unknown to me too. I guess this will suit you too, Wendax, since there will be all the fun needed and you are an excellent player too. Oko94 and all the rest are no less than anyone and I hope we'll see who'll crack them.
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Thanks.
Don't get me wrong; I really enjoyed this puzzle and laud your huge effort to put it together.
It's just that I've exhausted all my alleys and really don't know what else to do to find some (almost) impossible answers!
P.S. I rather thought I'd found the answer to 21 ARB; see my reply #107!
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16arb : built by Reklus
18arb : built by Coto Girelli
Now bring the points !
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Thanks.
Don't get me wrong; I really enjoyed this puzzle and laud your huge effort to put it together.
It's just that I've exhausted all my alleys and really don't know what else to do to find some (almost) impossible answers!
P.S. I rather thought I'd found the answer to 21 ARB; see my reply #107!
Very good! I found an article about 21arb and it's correct.
I'm glad you liked it ;)
16arb : built by Reklus
18arb : built by Coto Girelli
Now bring the points !
16 & 18 both correct!
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It's over 3 months since the last reply in this thread..
Do you think there'll be any more replies PJ?!
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36arb: Built by Papini of Riccione.
I don't see much sense in solving the puzzle this way, total lack of fun. :(
I don't know what to say.
Those cars are not easy. If I told you where to look I spoil the fun...I was hoping in some pressing, but there was not.
I'll find some clues.
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Here you are:
AR7: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 Spider from Argentina. (If no name is found, it goes to Oko94)
* no clue :/
AR13: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Fianchi Stretti recreation 1952 I know who built it...and it's not obscure, NOW.
AR14: Alfa Romeo 6c 2500 Barchetta Evocation. (If no name is found, it goes to oko94)
* I suspect this one was built by the same builder of several others from this puzzle.
AR17: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta "Conrero". I know who built it...and it's not obscure, NOW.
AR25: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Frianchistretti Replica. (If no name is found, it goes to Wendax)
* My idea is that it's from the usual serial replica builder from Argentina.
AR26: Alfa Romeo 1800 Barchetta 1953 from Jakarta. (If no name is found, it goes to pnegyesi)
* He built 2 more cars...I still have to get in contact with him and have no name.
AR27: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta (If no name is found, it goes to Carnut.)
* My idea is that it's from the usual serial replica builder from Argentina.
AR35: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation from Georgia (If no name is found, it goes to Wendax)
* No clue :/
AR39: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica (Tom Zat's) (If no name is found, it goes to oko94)
* No clue :/
Bonus track
BT1: ?
BT2: ?
BT3: ?
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You mean you think AR27 was built by Nestor Salerno?
They're nearly all seriously beautiful cars, whoever built them..!
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AR14: built by Greppi ?
AR25: built by Nestor Salerno ?
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You mean you think AR27 was built by Nestor Salerno?
They're nearly all seriously beautiful cars, whoever built them..!
AR14: built by Greppi ?
AR25: built by Nestor Salerno ?
I do not have conclusive proofs about these lasting ones...but I found solid elements for 2 of them #13 and #17.
Those 2 puzzles can be solved just guessing at them.
For all the others, I just left some thoughts you can work on, to keep the fun on, but there are no news.
Regarding your guesses, I think #25 an 27 could be by Salerno and #14 by Greppi, but with no further proof, I already assigned them to oko94, Wendax and Carnut.
You can guess at the last 3 ones...I know the answers. ;)
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13ARB : built in Argentina ?
17ARB : built in Argentina ?
BT-AR1 : built in Europe ?
BT-AR2 looks a lot like 16ARB, so was it built by Reklus too ?
BT-AR3 : built in Europe ?
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13ARB : built in Argentina ?
17ARB : built in Argentina ?
BT-AR1 : built in Europe ?
BT-AR2 looks a lot like 16ARB, so was it built by Reklus too ?
BT-AR3 : built in Europe ?
13arb: Not from Argentina
17arb: Yes!
BT1: nope
BT2: Yes!
BT3: Yes!
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13arb: built in Italy ?
17arb: built by Nestor Salerno ?
BT1: built in Argentina ?
BT2: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta by Reklus ?
BT3: built in Italy ?
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13arb: built in Italy ?
17arb: built by Nestor Salerno ?
BT1: built in Argentina ?
BT2: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta by Reklus ?
BT3: built in Italy ?
#13: Yes!
#17: No!
BT1: Yes!
BT2: Yes, again ;)
BT3: Yes!
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#13: built by Greppi ?
#17: built by Vintage Racing Cars ?
BT1: built by Nestor Salerno ?
BT3: built by Greppi ?
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13: Yes!
17: No
Bt1: Yes!
BT3: No
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Maybe ARB17 was bodied by Touring? Or maybe we've tried that already...!
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#17 : built by Coto Girelli ?
BT3 : built by Salvatore Diomante ?
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Maybe ARB17 was bodied by Touring? Or maybe we've tried that already...!
#17 was built in Argentina, but not by Salerno, VRC or Girelli.
#17 : built by Coto Girelli ?
BT3 : built by Salvatore Diomante ?
#17: Not him.
BT3: Not him.
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#17 by Pur Sang?
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#17 by Pur Sang?
#17: Not them.
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#17: built by Reklus ?
BT3: built by Carozzeria Ferrero ?
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#17: Yes!
Bt3: not them.
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Bt3: built by Marconato ?
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Not by him...but you are on the right track ;)
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Bt3: built by Papini ?
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Not Papini...wronk track.
Marconato is a modern carrozzeria that builds modern recreations, Papini built his car in the 50s.
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Bt3: built by OHA Automobili ?
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Not them. It's from Italy, but not a known name.
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Will this puzzle ever end ? :'(
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Bt3: can it be found on Facebook ?
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Bt3: can it be found on Facebook ?
Yes. There's a lead in each and every post of mine.
I'm in contact with the builder and he has several pictures of it (and other specials he made).
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Any thoughts about putting this one to bed PJ?
It's been a great puzzle but with over 2 months gone since the last post I wonder if it's run its course now?!
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Ok, time to close it.
2 points for who will find that name, eventually.
I'll award points now and move to solved.
Results:
Oko94: 22 correct answers (1,3,4,5,7,9,10,11,13,14,15,16,17,18,22,23,29,30,37,38,39,40) plus 3 Bonus Alfas= 6 points
Carnut: 5 correct answers (2,6,20,27,31) plus 1 point for #21= 2 points
Wendax: 7 correct answers (12,19,25,28,35,36,37) = 1 point
Pnegyesi: 5 correct answers (24,26,32,33,34) = 1 point
ropat53: 1 correct answer (30) = 0 points
I am going to add 1 point more to Carnut, Wendax and Pnegyesi to award their hard work on that.
Oko94, you did an hell of a good job too but you've been also lucky to guess first the right, usual names and 6 points are fair, I think.
I don't think there will ever be a puzzle like this in the future! ;D
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Thanks for these 6 points ! It was a hell of a puzzle.
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:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Great puzzle PJ and thanks for dedicating so much of your time to it!
Perhaps you'll be moved to do something like it again in the future.
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I am going to add 1 point more to Carnut, Wendax and Pnegyesi to award their hard work on that.
Thanks