Another track lacking passing. Vettel for pole and win. MS continues to look better but Nico and he are about even for pace.
Unless it rains.....
Then all bets are off.
I hate this part of the season. No passing. No excitement. It seems like boredom till Spa.
I guess it's from the few years I autocrossed, but I really like Monaco.
Quote from: Bezor on May 10, 2010, 12:27:08 AM
I guess it's from the few years I autocrossed, but I really like Monaco.
I like everything about it except for the procession on the track.
At Monaco more depends on the drivers' talent that at Tilkedromes and others where they can use the wide-open spaces when they misjudge something.
Overtaking is not a modern phenomenon at any track (e.g. at Barcelona yesterday there was some, but when cars had only a silght speed difference they stayed as they were for days!) and I still like to see the prima-donna drivers being out-foxed by those who know how to do it - and at Monaco in particular where there is no marging for error.
Alonso looked good in both practices. The nature of this track should make qualifying on Sat the highlight of the weekend and the outcome of the race is likely all but decided then as well.
Well, Michael demonstrated a few years ago that you CAN pass at Monaco at the chicane exiting the Loews Tunnel. IF you are willing to push your own brother off into the marbles! :o
That being said, Monaco DOES have an aura about it that transcends mere racing. Every great driver in history has competed there and the stories of the epic battles that have occurred on its streets are legion.
I heard on TV recently a little anecdote about the man who was the traditional waver of the green flag at the start of the race. Mario Andretti asked him before the race if he would throw a quick flag or a slow flag. He replied: "When I see your car move, THEN I will wave the green flag, Mario!"
You don't get stories like that at just any track! ;D
And so I am willing to excuse the relative lack of passing there just because it IS Monaco. I do not feel so charitable about the Hungaroring, for example. {BOOOORRRR ing} ::)
Quote from: MG on May 14, 2010, 06:31:32 PM
Well, Michael demonstrated a few years ago that you CAN pass at Monaco at the chicane exiting the Loews Tunnel. IF you are willing to push your own brother off into the marbles! :o
That being said, Monaco DOES have an aura about it that transcends mere racing. Every great driver in history has competed there and the stories of the epic battles that have occurred on its streets are legion.
I heard on TV recently a little anecdote about the man who was the traditional waver of the green flag at the start of the race. Mario Andretti asked him before the race if he would throw a quick flag or a slow flag. He replied: "When I see your car move, THEN I will wave the green flag, Mario!"
You don't get stories like that at just any track! ;D
And so I am willing to excuse the relative lack of passing there just because it IS Monaco. I do not feel so charitable about the Hungaroring, for example. {BOOOORRRR ing} ::)
I feel you.
Kubica will definitely be in red with performances like these.
Nice shake up with Kubica. Webbo showing he can do medium speed and low speed tracks. Poor Alonso, however, his push for position will make for a good subplot to the race. Massa put the SWB to use.
If there is anything missing from the T.V. coverage is women in their behinees. I want to see some skin, damnit.
I was hoping for two things to happen in quali: Kubica on pole and Kovalainen in Q2. Sadly, none happened, although both were very close to the target. Let's see what the race brings...
Now it's the right time to send you curriculum vitae to the Mc Laren team...
Can't wait to see what the stewards, with the assistance of Damon Hill, think of MS's stupid and typically "I care not for any rules for I am 7 time world champion Michael Schumacher" pass on Alonso at the last corner. Hopefully, they will at LEAST set him back to 7th. Better yet, assess him a 30 second penalty. Better YET, that plus a 10 grid spot penalty in Turkey. Or best of all, DSQ the smarmy son of a bitch. How I detest Michael. :yuck:
Fabulous weekend for Webber. Jack Brabham would be proud! :applause:
Twas a bit of procession. Webber firms up his championship intentions. MS gets what he deserves. Pretty satisfying overall.
This is how a stay at home journalist I hold in the highest esteem saw the race.
Webber Rules In Monaco (http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-21840-New-England-Automotive-Examiner~y2010m5d16-Webber-Rules-Monaco)
Quote from: MG on May 16, 2010, 11:33:23 AM
Can't wait to see what the stewards, with the assistance of Damon Hill, think of MS's stupid and typically "I care not for any rules for I am 7 time world champion Michael Schumacher" pass on Alonso at the last corner. Hopefully, they will at LEAST set him back to 7th. Better yet, assess him a 30 second penalty. Better YET, that plus a 10 grid spot penalty in Turkey. Or best of all, DSQ the smarmy son of a bitch. How I detest Michael. :yuck:
Fabulous weekend for Webber. Jack Brabham would be proud! :applause:
That was actually within the rules as far as i understand - it was the very last lap, and there's an excuse for this, I guess...
NOT within the rules, at least according to the stewards. 20 second penalty assessed. Dropped MS to 12th. :nana:
I am sorry to say, Faksta, that Vitaly Petrov is not showing well in F1. He looks like he should be in GP2. Too many crashes. :-\
Quote from: MG on May 16, 2010, 07:31:36 PM
NOT within the rules, at least according to the stewards. 20 second penalty assessed. Dropped MS to 12th. :nana:
I am sorry to say, Faksta, that Vitaly Petrov is not showing well in F1. He looks like he should be in GP2. Too many crashes. :-\
Many rookies crash cars the first year to be very much a winner the next year. Not saying he is doing that, just saying it happens.
As for Michael Schumacher:
There 2 rules contradicting.
The problem is that if you get the messsage that the safety car goes in the last lap, but you see yellow flags, you cannot overtake. Problem is: They showed green flags. Which means: safe to overtake.
Ah, racing by lawyer! I love it! :hah:
I have read Ross Brawn's explanation. I know he believes it, but I think the sporting reg is clear enough, although Race Control COULD have done a better job of clarifying the situation for the teams. So there is fault all around.
But Michael is still an egg sucking self absorbed jerk. Always was. Always will be. :yuck:
As for Petrov, you think I am being too hard on the lad? Perhaps so. I seem to remember that Alguersuari was all over the road when he jumped into the cockpit too.
But he tended to hit other people. At least Petrov just does it to himself and doesn't take others with him. So I will reassess my position on him. He is "C" driver, not a C- as I had thought! ;D
Quote from: MG on May 17, 2010, 10:20:28 AM
But Michael is still an egg sucking self absorbed jerk. Always was. Always will be. :yuck:
I'm not a friend of him either but you're going way over the top! At least he won his seven world championships not only with bad habits!
MG over the top?!
What else is new?
Quote from: MG on May 17, 2010, 10:20:28 AM
Ah, racing by lawyer! I love it! :hah:
I have read Ross Brawn's explanation. I know he believes it, but I think the sporting reg is clear enough, although Race Control COULD have done a better job of clarifying the situation for the teams. So there is fault all around.
But Michael is still an egg sucking self absorbed jerk. Always was. Always will be. :yuck:
As for Petrov, you think I am being too hard on the lad? Perhaps so. I seem to remember that Alguersuari was all over the road when he jumped into the cockpit too.
But he tended to hit other people. At least Petrov just does it to himself and doesn't take others with him. So I will reassess my position on him. He is "C" driver, not a C- as I had thought! ;D
There are rules everywhere. Suppose you don't stop for red lights and overtake in blind corners?
Quote from: MG on May 16, 2010, 11:33:23 AM
Can't wait to see what the stewards, with the assistance of Damon Hill, think of MS's stupid and typically "I care not for any rules for I am 7 time world champion Michael Schumacher" pass on Alonso at the last corner. Hopefully, they will at LEAST set him back to 7th. Better yet, assess him a 30 second penalty. Better YET, that plus a 10 grid spot penalty in Turkey. Or best of all, DSQ the smarmy son of a bitch. How I detest Michael. :yuck:
Fabulous weekend for Webber. Jack Brabham would be proud! :applause:
Wow - 1 ill-adivsed pass at the end of a safety-car parade lap cements MS' status as the Antichrist!
The 20-second penalty assessed is more than enough. It put's things right again in another context, as the "built for Schumi" LWB Mercedes gave spoonface the unfair advantage at Monaco (which favors LWB, right?) that allowed him to run ahead of his teammate.
If Al or Hambone had done the same thing, some would chalk it up to the red mist or passion.
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on May 18, 2010, 08:36:12 AM
Quote from: MG on May 16, 2010, 11:33:23 AM
Can't wait to see what the stewards, with the assistance of Damon Hill, think of MS's stupid and typically "I care not for any rules for I am 7 time world champion Michael Schumacher" pass on Alonso at the last corner. Hopefully, they will at LEAST set him back to 7th. Better yet, assess him a 30 second penalty. Better YET, that plus a 10 grid spot penalty in Turkey. Or best of all, DSQ the smarmy son of a bitch. How I detest Michael. :yuck:
Fabulous weekend for Webber. Jack Brabham would be proud! :applause:
Wow - 1 ill-adivsed pass at the end of a safety-car parade lap cements MS' status as the Antichrist!
The 20-second penalty assessed is more than enough. It put's things right again in another context, as the "built for Schumi" LWB Mercedes gave spoonface the unfair advantage at Monaco (which favors LWB, right?) that allowed him to run ahead of his teammate.
If Al or Hambone had done the same thing, some would chalk it up to the red mist or passion.
Favours SWB...
I was being sarcastic.
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on May 18, 2010, 08:42:43 AM
I was being sarcastic.
I didn't see the sarcastic smiley. Being sarcastic here. Sorry, on fora it is difficult to see sarcasm.
;D
The Church of St. Michael has been giving me hell. Got more comments on my Examiner story than on all my other stories combined and all from Apostles of Micheal! :o
I cannot tell a lie. Ever since he deliberately ran into Damon Hill in the last corner in Australia, I have detested him. As for me being over the top? God, I HOPE so! ;D
Quote from: MG on May 18, 2010, 09:03:10 AM
The Church of St. Michael has been giving me hell. Got more comments on my Examiner story than on all my other stories combined and all from Apostles of Micheal! :o
I cannot tell a lie. Ever since he deliberately ran into Damon Hill in the last corner in Australia, I have detested him. As for me being over the top? God, I HOPE so! ;D
Asif. Forgot Prost vs Senna (and vice-versa?)
Here's the thing, brother. Prost and Senna were on the SAME TEAM. Michael has NEVER had a worthy adversary for a teammate. Every one them has been a SECOND driver whose sole job was to acquire data that could be passed on to make Michael's car faster. Yes, he won 7 WDC's, but in an era of rather weak competition. Mike Hakkinen was the only driver to ever challenge MS and I seem to recall that Hakkinen drove during the MS era. Hmnmmm...... :scratch:
Add in the supremely silly and deceitful "He parka da car" incident during qualifying at Monaco a few years ago, and you have the picture of a man who believes his own press clippings rather too much and has the soul of a rat. He probably would have been a good lawyer! :lmao:
Now this year, we hopefully will see a knock down, drag out, down to the last corner of the last race quest for the WDC between Vettel and Webber. THIS ought to be great fun to watch, even if everything going on behind the two leaders may be as boring as watching C-SPAN. :P
I will never say that Schumacher is not a superb driver. He clearly is. I just don't think he is QUITE as superb as HE thinks he is! :D
AND THIS JUST IN!
Mercedes has decided not to appeal against the penalty imposed on Michael Schumacher for overtaking Fernando Alonso in the final moments of the Monaco Grand Prix.
Schumacher was handed a 20s penalty by race stewards after they judged he had broken Article 40.13 of the sporting regulations by passing a car on the final lap of the race when the safety car had been out.
On Sunday evening Mercedes indicated it would challenge the penalty – which dropped Schumacher from sixth to 12th – as it felt race control and track-side marshals had indicated the race was back on once the safety car had pulled into the pits and that therefore passing was permitted once cars had crossed the safety car line.
However, after taking the permitted 48 hours to consider its next moves before an official protest would have needed to be lodged with the FIA, the Brackley-based team announced on Tuesday afternoon that in the interests of the sport it would not be taking the case any further.
In its statement the team welcomed the fact that the FIA had understood why the team had arrived at its interpretation of the rules, even if it hadn't agreed with it and penalised Schumacher.
"Mercedes GP Petronas were fully aware of article 40.13 which states that no overtaking is permitted if the race finishes under safety car conditions," the Mercedes statement read.
"However we believed that the combination of the race control messages 'Safety Car in this lap' 'Track Clear' and the green flags and lights shown by the marshals after safety car line one indicated that the race was not finishing under the safety car and all drivers were free to race.
"This opinion appears to have been shared by the majority of the teams with cars in the top 10 positions who also gave their drivers instructions to race to the finish line.
"It was clear from our discussions with the stewards after the race that they understood the reasons for our interpretation and acknowledged that this was a new and previously untested situation but ultimately disagreed with our interpretation.
"Whilst we cannot be happy with the outcome, we are pleased that the FIA has recognised the reasons for our interpretation. Therefore in the best interests of the sport, Mercedes GP Petronas will not be submitting an appeal."
The regulations covering from when overtaking is permitted following a safety car phase had been altered prior to this season, with cars now allowed to make passes after the safety car line – which in Monaco was just after Rascasse – rather than the start/finish line providing it is not on the final lap.
Mercedes says, however, that the FIA has agreed to discuss with the teams how Article 40.13 fits into that change and also the severity of post-race penalties after Schumacher's – which was in lieu of a drive-through – meant the German missed out on points altogether due to the fact the grid was running line astern.
"The FIA has agreed to include article 40.13 on the agenda of the next Sporting Working Group for discussion and to consider the scale of post race penalties," the team added.
"We believe that the 20 second penalty imposed on Michael to be disproportionate in the circumstances."
Mercedes also made it clear it felt it had been given a fair hearing by the stewards after Damon Hill, who was the ex-driver on the panel in Monaco, was accused by Schumacher fans of showing bias towards his former rival.
"Mercedes GP Petronas would like to emphasise that we fully support the inclusion of past drivers on the stewards panel and are completely satisfied that the Monaco Grand Prix stewards acted professionally, impartially and properly in this matter," it added.
I'm no Schumacher fan, but why the hell did they pull in the pace car and display the green if they weren't going back to green?
Quote from: Dan Speed on May 18, 2010, 11:09:14 PM
I'm no Schumacher fan, but why the hell did they pull in the pace car and display the green if they weren't going back to green?
Because this is F1. ;)
Quote from: MG on May 18, 2010, 12:09:42 PM
Here's the thing, brother. Prost and Senna were on the SAME TEAM. Michael has NEVER had a worthy adversary for a teammate. Every one them has been a SECOND driver whose sole job was to acquire data that could be passed on to make Michael's car faster. Yes, he won 7 WDC's, but in an era of rather weak competition. Mike Hakkinen was the only driver to ever challenge MS and I seem to recall that Hakkinen drove during the MS era. Hmnmmm...... :scratch:
Add in the supremely silly and deceitful "He parka da car" incident during qualifying at Monaco a few years ago, and you have the picture of a man who believes his own press clippings rather too much and has the soul of a rat. He probably would have been a good lawyer! :lmao:
Now this year, we hopefully will see a knock down, drag out, down to the last corner of the last race quest for the WDC between Vettel and Webber. THIS ought to be great fun to watch, even if everything going on behind the two leaders may be as boring as watching C-SPAN. :P
I will never say that Schumacher is not a superb driver. He clearly is. I just don't think he is QUITE as superb as HE thinks he is! :D
1989: yes. 1990: no. Remember Prost going to Ferrari?
Quote from: Ultra on May 18, 2010, 11:16:57 PM
Quote from: Dan Speed on May 18, 2010, 11:09:14 PM
I'm no Schumacher fan, but why the hell did they pull in the pace car and display the green if they weren't going back to green?
Because this is F1. ;)
Good question, and only possible correct answer. ;D
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on May 19, 2010, 06:13:45 AM
Quote from: Ultra on May 18, 2010, 11:16:57 PM
Quote from: Dan Speed on May 18, 2010, 11:09:14 PM
I'm no Schumacher fan, but why the hell did they pull in the pace car and display the green if they weren't going back to green?
Because this is F1. ;)
Good question, and only possible correct answer. ;D
"Some say" when in doubt, Ferrari is right.
And the conspiracy theories continue 8)
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on May 19, 2010, 06:19:56 AM
And the conspiracy theories continue 8)
Doesn't help that Hill was involved ;)
Quotewhen in doubt, Ferrari is right.
:thumbsup:
It seems that Jean Todt has had a quiet conversation with Luca D and Ross B. He must have smoothed all the ruffled feathers because Mercedes has announced it will not formally appeal the stewards' action "for the good of the sport". The FIA will review the offending regulation at the next meeting of the Sporting Working Group. More than likely, a "clarification" will follow in due course.
One thing everyone can agree on is that the fellow who wrote the current regulation should be taken out onto the Champs Elysee and beaten severely about the head and shoulders with a copy of the Oxford English Dictionary. The existing language is gobbledy gook and more or less incomprehensible. The fellow must be a lawyer! :P
The simplest thing, of course, would be to have the safety car lead the field across the finish line and around one more time and into the pits. THAT would eliminate any confusion, I imagine! :idea:
Just saw your post, DA. The members of the Micheal Schumacher Butt Boy and Boot Licking Societyt have been going ballistic over this and hinting darkly that Hill was putting the knife in Michael's back as pay back for that Australian GP schlamozzle many long years ago. In its official announcement, Mercedes went to great lengths to praise the actions of the stewards and point out that the procedings were conducted in a calm, professional and unbiased fashion. Not that the
Michaelistas will believe a word of it! :D
MG - your insistence on affixing disparaging labels on those who disagree with you is unbecoming. :-[
And, before you say it, yes, I know I do it, too. But I'm trying to curb it. ;)
You thought that it is just "Michael the Saint"-fans saying this? Many a television commentator had said this. But they are all Schumi-fans of course ;)
Quotethe Micheal Schumacher Butt Boy and Boot Licking Society
But I meant that in the most favorable possible way! :lmao:
And besides, commentators don't know diddly squat. I am living proof! :P
It's not about what they know, but what they transmit to the world ;)