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Title: ADG 38 - SOLVED - Alfa Romeo Giulia Severtail by Casale (1967)
Post by: 75america on July 11, 2010, 05:56:10 AM
Identify this car and earn a point:

Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on July 11, 2010, 06:09:27 AM
Cool!
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on July 21, 2010, 03:40:56 AM
Can experts identify it?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Tackitt on August 01, 2010, 04:30:22 PM
I believe it is a kit car that was called the Amante.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 01, 2010, 04:49:32 PM
Not an Amante.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 15, 2010, 01:32:54 PM
Can Pro's help sending this one to the solved section?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 15, 2010, 01:42:51 PM
I have my eyes on this for a while, but have no idea...
Palms suggest a southern country.. Is it from South America?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: João on August 15, 2010, 01:54:32 PM
It´s an Alfa Romeo from 1968?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 15, 2010, 02:01:57 PM
It is indeed based on an Alfa Romeo!  I have another very-close-to-your-1968 year for when it was build.
I still need to know on what Alfa it was based + who was responsible for the body.
Locked for you for the next 24 hours.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: João on August 16, 2010, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: 75america on August 15, 2010, 02:01:57 PM
It is indeed based on an Alfa Romeo!  I have another very-close-to-your-1968 year for when it was build.
I still need to know on what Alfa it was based + who was responsible for the body.
Locked for you for the next 24 hours.

I hate when this happens  :-\  A long time ago,I saved this car and I remember that it was painted green or gold and yes,with a special name  ;D

You can unlock this one and thanks for the 24H  ;)
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 18, 2010, 01:04:38 PM
Is it allowed the make new guesses? ???
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 18, 2010, 01:46:18 PM
Quote from: Allemano on August 18, 2010, 01:04:38 PM
Is it allowed the make new guesses? ???

Sure!
The 24H are already long gone and João also wrote that he no longer wanted the locking of this puzzle.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 18, 2010, 01:56:29 PM
is it based on a Giulia?
and you just ignored my Reply#6.. ;)
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 18, 2010, 03:18:12 PM
Quote from: Allemano on August 18, 2010, 01:56:29 PM
is it based on a Giulia?
and you just ignored my Reply#6.. ;)

Sorry, I just didn't noticed your reply #6.

Not from South America, but yes Giulia based.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 18, 2010, 04:06:09 PM
made in Europe?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 18, 2010, 04:10:05 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 18, 2010, 04:29:02 PM
from Southern Europe?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 18, 2010, 05:17:13 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 18, 2010, 05:31:06 PM
Spain?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 19, 2010, 06:16:39 AM
No.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Djetset on August 19, 2010, 08:07:33 AM
I assume it's Italian?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 19, 2010, 11:35:05 AM
Quote from: Djetset on August 19, 2010, 08:07:33 AM
I assume it's Italian?
:nod:
The most obvious country of origin is the correct one (AFAIK).
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 19, 2010, 01:38:04 PM
From a coachbuilder or made by an individual?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 19, 2010, 01:45:18 PM
Coachbuilder
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 19, 2010, 01:50:10 PM
from one of the major, rather known companies?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 19, 2010, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: Allemano on August 19, 2010, 01:50:10 PM
from one of the major, rather known companies?

from one of the minor, rather unknown companies.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 19, 2010, 02:12:42 PM
Lombardi is too big?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: João on August 19, 2010, 02:15:33 PM
From 1967?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 19, 2010, 02:17:50 PM
Quote from: Allemano on August 19, 2010, 02:12:42 PM
Lombardi is too big?

I think Lombardi was (a lot) bigger, because it is a lot better known.

And yes, it is from 1967
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 19, 2010, 02:37:53 PM
If it's not available on the internet I'm out.. :-\
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 19, 2010, 03:22:53 PM
Quote from: Allemano on August 19, 2010, 02:37:53 PM
If it's not available on the internet I'm out.. :-\

I did a quick Google search for this specific car but was not able to find it on the net (which is by no means a guarantee that it is not 'out there' somewhere). 
However, other creations from this coachbuilder can be easily found on internet.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 20, 2010, 06:40:22 AM
From Rome?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 20, 2010, 11:05:02 AM
Not from Rome.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: woodinsight on August 20, 2010, 11:11:52 AM
Carrozzeria Caprera?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 20, 2010, 11:19:25 AM
Not Caprera.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 20, 2010, 11:26:03 AM
shot in the dark: Autotecnica?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 20, 2010, 11:49:13 AM
Not Autotecnica.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: woodinsight on August 20, 2010, 12:03:25 PM
Ellena?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 20, 2010, 12:10:38 PM
Lesser known than Francis Lombardi, Caprera and Ellena.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: woodinsight on August 20, 2010, 12:43:09 PM
Sibona & Basano?
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Post by: Allemano on August 20, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
Neri & Bonacini?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: woodinsight on August 20, 2010, 01:05:21 PM
and the answer is?
(apologies - couldn't resist this breathtaking response!)
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 20, 2010, 01:05:38 PM
Just a tad lesser known than Sibona & Bassano and Neri & Bonacini
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 20, 2010, 01:23:59 PM
Drogo? ???
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 20, 2010, 02:28:56 PM
Not Drogo.

Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 20, 2010, 02:34:30 PM
In business for only a short period of years?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 20, 2010, 02:56:11 PM
Active for a long period
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 20, 2010, 03:49:59 PM
Marazzi?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 20, 2010, 04:12:28 PM
Pavesi?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 20, 2010, 06:30:18 PM
Not Marazzi
Not Pavesi
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 21, 2010, 02:49:20 AM
Scaglietti?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: woodinsight on August 21, 2010, 03:35:40 AM
ASA?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 21, 2010, 03:37:44 AM
Not a Scaglietti nor ASA
I will give it almost away now, but you must think a bit more out of the box.
The closest out of the box answers until know were Pavesi and Marazzi.

Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 21, 2010, 03:42:59 AM
Out of the box means normally focused on other vehicles like buses or hearses?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 21, 2010, 03:46:36 AM
Quote from: Allemano on August 21, 2010, 03:42:59 AM
Out of the box means normally focused on other vehicles like buses or hearses?

I told you that with my previous post, I practically gave the answer away. 
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 21, 2010, 04:11:58 AM
okay, let's continue, then... Viberti?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Paul Jaray on August 21, 2010, 04:15:12 AM
Introzzi?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 21, 2010, 04:21:08 AM
Not Viberti
Not Introzzi.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 21, 2010, 04:23:52 AM
Mariani?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 21, 2010, 04:28:25 AM
Not Mariani.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 22, 2010, 01:43:31 PM
Is this "Carrozzeria" famous for another passenger car?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 22, 2010, 01:49:00 PM
Colli?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 22, 2010, 02:19:32 PM
Quote from: Allemano on August 22, 2010, 01:43:31 PM
Is this "Carrozzeria" famous for another passenger car?

Define 'passenger'

Not Colli
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: woodinsight on August 22, 2010, 03:21:50 PM
Orlandi?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 22, 2010, 04:06:57 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on August 22, 2010, 03:21:50 PM
Orlandi?


Neither Angelo or Renzo.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: woodinsight on August 22, 2010, 04:26:29 PM
Padane?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 22, 2010, 04:37:10 PM
Not by Officine Padane
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 23, 2010, 06:52:55 AM
Borsani?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 23, 2010, 06:56:35 AM
Quote from: 75america on August 22, 2010, 02:19:32 PM
Quote from: Allemano on August 22, 2010, 01:43:31 PM
Is this "Carrozzeria" famous for another passenger car?

Define 'passenger'

Not a hearse, a bus, a lorry, transporter, racing or utility vehicle. Suitable for your daily drive.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 23, 2010, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: Allemano on August 23, 2010, 06:56:35 AM
Not a hearse, a bus, a lorry, transporter, racing or utility vehicle. Suitable for your daily drive.

In that case, I have no knowledge of other passenger cars build by this carrozzeria (which is no guarantee there weren't any!!)

Not Borsani
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 24, 2010, 02:26:24 PM
Grazia?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 24, 2010, 02:26:38 PM
Bonfanti?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: woodinsight on August 24, 2010, 02:33:37 PM
I came across another company called Allegritta or Allagritta (not sure of the spelling without some more research)
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 24, 2010, 02:48:30 PM
Not Grazia, not Bonfanti and I never heard of Allegritta or Allagritta.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 24, 2010, 02:50:00 PM
Did they build Alfa Romeo based "non-passenger-cars"?

BTW: your "give away reply" seems to be a bit of a nonstarter...  :lmao:
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: woodinsight on August 24, 2010, 02:53:36 PM
Okay - last try for today - Giordanengo
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 24, 2010, 03:14:43 PM
AFAIK, Giovanni Giordanengo is operating in a total different business as the carrozzeria I'm after.
Also not sure Giordanengo was already active in 1967.

This is the only Alfa Romeo I know (And I know a lot, but still not all, of them ;-) that was bodied by this firm. 
But I still have some special bodied Romeo's from whom I don't know the creator, so you never know.


BRAKING NEWS: I found pictures of the car on the internet!
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 24, 2010, 03:21:45 PM
A very nice car it seems!  :)

Okay, let's start again.. this company was not very well known, but was more famous for other vehicles, right?
Are these other vehicles Fiat based?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: João on August 24, 2010, 03:22:53 PM
I knew it was a kind of gold!  ;D And there is another picture of this car on internet! ( The one I saved  :-[ )
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 24, 2010, 03:30:46 PM
No more excuses NOT to find the car.  I have now found 4 sources on the web that are talking about this car.
3 of them have the above mentioned 3 pics, and a 4th website has this picture:

In certain business, this company is very well known. 
Some, but not all cars they made were Fiat based.
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Allemano on August 24, 2010, 03:32:31 PM
Wow, what a great looking car!  :thumbsup:

Is it the bus business we're talking about?
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: Oguerrerob on August 26, 2010, 02:46:17 PM
Alfa Romeo Giulia, Carrozzeria Casale 1967. it  took part in Concorso di Eleganza di Cortina 1967
Title: Re: ADG 38
Post by: 75america on August 26, 2010, 04:11:15 PM
 :applause:  That's the one

(@ Allemano : sorry I missed your last post.  By now, you probably discovered that Casale was active in the hearse business)

Casale was taken over in 2002 by Pilato.  It is not clear to me if the company and or brand name are still active today.



And can an admin move it to the solved instead of news, information and feedback section...
Title: Re: ADG 38 - SOLVED - Alfa Romeo Giulia Severtail by Casale (1967)
Post by: Allemano on August 26, 2010, 09:57:02 PM
 :noid:
The common source gives a production year of probably 1966...
Title: Re: ADG 38 - SOLVED - Alfa Romeo Giulia Severtail by Casale (1967)
Post by: 75america on August 28, 2010, 03:35:53 AM
And another source mentions the year 1965...
Title: Re: ADG 38 - SOLVED - Alfa Romeo Giulia Severtail by Casale (1967)
Post by: Allemano on August 28, 2010, 04:36:55 AM
Does "Severtail" mean something like fastback? :scratch:
Title: Re: ADG 38 - SOLVED - Alfa Romeo Giulia Severtail by Casale (1967)
Post by: barrett on August 28, 2010, 06:10:48 AM
sever = to cut, so i'd guess it was more like a Kamm tail, i.e abruptly cut-off
Title: Re: ADG 38 - SOLVED - Alfa Romeo Giulia Severtail by Casale (1967)
Post by: Otto Puzzell on August 28, 2010, 06:41:20 AM
It's also been severed or hidden in every photo.  :D
Title: Re: ADG 38 - SOLVED - Alfa Romeo Giulia Severtail by Casale (1967)
Post by: Ultra on November 17, 2010, 08:26:09 AM
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