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Title: black brute SOLVED! Brutus with 47 liter BMW V12 engine
Post by: grobmotorix on August 18, 2007, 02:51:28 AM
who knows any details about this brute?
Title: Re: black brute
Post by: Allan L on August 27, 2007, 12:51:34 PM
Looks a bit like the 20508 cc  Isotta-Maybach, raced at Brooklands by E.A.D. Eldridge and L.G.C.M Le Champion in the early 1920s
Title: Re: black brute
Post by: grobmotorix on August 27, 2007, 01:34:32 PM
Well, double up the mentioned 20.5 litre engine capacity and it is not enough!
Title: Re: black brute
Post by: D-type on August 28, 2007, 08:51:33 AM
Are you sure about the capacity?   

For comparison, various aero engined cars were:
Blitzen Benz - 21.5 litres
Fiat 'Mephistopholes' - originally 10 litres, later 21.7 litres
Napier Lion (Napier-Railton and Bentley-Napier ) - 24 litres
Rolls Royce Merlin - 27 litres
Rolls Royce Kestrel - 21 litres
Liberty Engine (Babs) - 27 litres

42 litres seems large by comparison as the car doesn't appear to have or to need twin aero engines.
Title: Re: black brute
Post by: grobmotorix on August 29, 2007, 02:58:53 PM
I am absolutely sure.

Well, this is a "new" construction based on an original old chassis, but they´ve fitted a BMW V12 airplane-engine....

And I´ve seen this thing being started and going round a recetrack - just an acoustic inferno.
The ground gravel just flew away when the gases left the exhaust pipe in 70cm height (from the ground) while it was standing...
Title: Re: black brute
Post by: Motorace on August 30, 2007, 04:35:34 PM
So what is the actual displacement?
Title: Re: black brute
Post by: grobmotorix on August 31, 2007, 12:40:05 AM
47 litres!

;D
Title: Re: black brute
Post by: SeaLion on August 31, 2007, 12:59:27 AM
The WWI aircraft engine called BMW VI was a water-cooled monster of 45842 cm³, engine weight was 510 kg.

<<< link removed >>>
Title: Re: black brute
Post by: SeaLion on August 31, 2007, 01:17:29 AM
(http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/780/2925389470048236138S425x425Q85.jpg)
http://attilag78.blog.hu/2007/02/14/brutus (in hungarian) :-\
Title: Re: black brute
Post by: SeaLion on August 31, 2007, 01:34:21 AM
<<< link removed >>>

This car, called Brutus, was built in 1925 by Hermann Layher at an american La-France chassis from 1907, using a BMW IV engine from Heinkel He 9 (an german airplane).
Title: Re: black brute
Post by: grobmotorix on August 31, 2007, 07:07:16 PM
congratulations! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: black brute SOLVED! Brutus with 47 liter BMW V12 engine
Post by: grobmotorix on December 09, 2011, 04:17:22 PM
Well, Brutus was built in 2006, with the following components:

a 1908 American LaFrance fire engine chassis
a 1925 BMW VI aeroplane engine

which I´ve photographed in summer 2007 myself.

A beautiful brute, indeed: