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Hi, is that a Peace?
It looks for all the world like a cross between a Humber Super Snipe and a 1958 Studebaker President...I don't suppose it could be a derivitive of either...?
Dan
Quote from: PAUL JARAY on January 02, 2008, 09:21:45 AM
Hi, is that a Peace?
A 'piece', perhaps, but that is not the make or model designation. ;)
Quote from: Tifosi on January 02, 2008, 12:26:52 PM
It looks for all the world like a cross between a Humber Super Snipe and a 1958 Studebaker President...I don't suppose it could be a derivitive of either...?
Esthetically, perhaps; I don't think there was any manufacturer collaboration.
It reminds me of the Devrim, from Turkey...but I wonder if it isn't from India?
Dan
If it's from India, it ought to be RHD.
Neither Devrim nor Turk.
Is it Soviet or Eastern-bloc?
Dan
No.
:huh: Ford Vedette?
I know it's LHD, but could it be Japanese?
Dan
Quote from: Tifosi on January 05, 2008, 02:05:36 AM
I know it's LHD, but could it be Japanese?
Dan
No, but you are getting slightly warmer...
Dong Feng?
Dan
无
That's the simple Chinese character for "no".
Hong Qi?
Am I getting any warmer?
Dan
Geographically, yes.
Is it Korean?
Dan
No.
So it is chinese, but no-one has guessed the right car yet.
That is correct.
Chinese, but not Eastern Bloc - Does that mean Taiwan?
Or is it that China is so far east that it's west and not part of the Eastern Bloc from a US perspective? If you see what I mean.
"Eastern Bloc", as I understand it, was the USSR and it's satellites.
Agreed. Eastern Bloc countries were the former USSR and its associates in Eastern Europe (DDR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Albania, Rumania, Bulgaria and Hungary).
So, is it from Mainland China or Taiwan?
Dan
QuoteSo it is chinese, but no-one has guessed the right car yet.
QuoteThat is correct.
Is it a Hongqi?
Not a Hong Qi or a Hongqi.
I believe this car is from mainland China.
Red Flag?
Hong Qi is Chinese for Red Flag - it's the same car :)
You know, China is not that far from Japan. :)
Could be a ca. 1958 Prince Skyline or Gloria...
No, it's from China - the "Japan" comment was a clue of a different nature. 8)
Quote from: KarnUtz on January 19, 2008, 10:59:48 AM
No, it's from China - the "Japan" comment was a clue of a different nature. 8)
I'm lost....
Dan
FAW CA 770 or 772? FAW=FirstAutomobileWorks, the brand name is Honqui (=red flag)
It can't be a Hongqi...they look like this...
Quote from: Tifosi on January 19, 2008, 05:56:14 PM
Hmmm... If you wait for sun up, you may perhaps orient yourself correctly.
Hi, is that a Beijing\Peking BJ750?
That is the Beijing Buick Special from 1955...
By the way, my first reply was correct...I tought it was a PEACE, former He-PING,former HO-PING active in China from 1958-1960, it was a sedan Plymouth-like powered with a 4-cylinder 55hp engine.
"Peace" is "Heping" in Mandarin and "Hoping" in Cantonese.
Quote from: PAUL JARAY on January 20, 2008, 06:44:44 AM
Hi, is that a Beijing\Peking BJ750?
That is the Beijing Buick Special from 1955...
It certainly looks similar. I would not be surprised to find they are related.
There are only few last....the Feng-Huang, then Phoenix, (1958-1965) built several cars, one similar to the american Plymouth (again) and one based on a Mercedes Benz 220. During the 1965 the name was changed to Shanghai.
The last one is the Dong-Feng, AKA Tung-Feng,AKA East Wind with the CA-71 model that is quite different.
::)
I haven't seen the correct model designation posted yet.
But is there the correct maker? (Dong-Feng\Tung-Feng\East Wind or Feng-Huang\Phoenix\Shangai)?
To be honest, I don't know. The scant reference to this car has referred to it by a two-word name, similar to one of the names you posted. Said references do not specify if the name is the maker or the model.
There was also the Progress, built by (or built in) Chung King in 1958
The problem with Chinese (mandarin) is that transliteration into the Roman alphabet is a hit and miss process - eg Dong feng/Tung feng. Translation is also hit and miss eg East Wind/Dawn Wind. So similar names in 'English' may be the same in Chinese
The correct compass direction - part of the name - was mentioned in one of the answers above...
The other half of the name is an adjective...
Whoever styled it was a real master...I see echoes of a 1957 Ford, a 1958 Studebaker, a 1956 Chevrolet, and a 1958 Ford...the single headlight version even has some Rambler overtones in the grille...the guy coulda worked for George Barris...
But I'm lost for a name...
Dan
Quote from: KarnUtzThe correct compass direction - part of the name - was mentioned in one of the answers above...
The other half of the name is an adjective...
... East or East ... Something.
Mystic East, Red East or similar?
Very close...
Go East . . (young man)
;D
Think back to an earlier clue...
There is something of "Japanese" related to Feng-Huang\Phoenix\Shangai?
Japanese connection to the name, not the car.
I got that, but is "Japanese" the adjective you told before or something like "east" ? And the part mentioned before was again "east" or Feng-Huang\Whattehelll\Phoenix\Shangai?
There is a tie-in with what Japan is often referred to as. With that name in mind, the East takes on a specific characteristic.
There's the sun involved? Like Rising sun?
Though the sun is not part of the name of this car, you are on the right track...
Eastern Samurai? Shogun?
Dan
Paul's last guess was closer to correct.
Rising East? ;D
...kamikaze...sword...
East rising.
East Sun.
Dawn Sun.
Rising Dawn.
I feel like I am doing a poetry excersize. :-\
OK, so what happens to the East when the sun rises?
Rising Light?
Rising Day?
Rising Deads?
Eastern Light?
Eastern Sunrise?
Eastern Dawn?
Eastern Day?
Eastern Rise?
Rising East?
Rising Eastern Sushi?
Eastern Banzai Rising Child?
Eastern Kamikaze Rising Sword?
Waking East?
I must say I have a feeling that Paul really wants this one :D
I´m just sitting here and I´m wondering about those poetical chinese people...
So what about:
Glowing East
or
Shining East?
Could it be Red East?
Quote from: grobmotorix on February 04, 2008, 05:09:14 PM
I´m just sitting here and I´m wondering about those poetical chinese people...
So what about:
Glowing East
Well, that's about as close as we are likely to get. The name of the car is "East Glows" (when the sun rises in the East, the East glows), which was produced in China, and much more than that, I don't know.
You mean the Zhong-gui from 1964?
You mean zhong guo?
I'm going to chek this out, 'cause I know that there are some reference to that somewhere...I found Zhonggui but I'll verify.
Quote from: KarnUtz on January 30, 2008, 05:47:37 AM
The other half of the name is an adjective...
East Glows
In England we'd call that second word a verb!
I thought I remembered a car called The East Glows, but couldn't find it in Georgano so thought I'd misremembered it.
I've just looked in the Georgano First Edition (1968) and there on page 558 it is, using the identical photo as in post 1, the name as I've quoted made in China Car factory No 1, Peking (as we called it then) from 1964
Quote from: Allan L on February 05, 2008, 10:46:57 AM
Quote from: KarnUtz on January 30, 2008, 05:47:37 AM
The other half of the name is an adjective...
East Glows
In England we'd call that second word a verb!
Main Entry: adjective
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
: a word belonging to one of the major form classes in any of numerous languages and typically serving as a modifier of a noun to denote a quality of the thing named, to indicate its quantity or extent, or to specify a thing as distinct from something else
Quote from: KarnUtz on February 06, 2008, 04:39:40 AM
Quote from: Allan L on February 05, 2008, 10:46:57 AM
Quote from: KarnUtz on January 30, 2008, 05:47:37 AM
The other half of the name is an adjective...
East Glows
In England we'd call that second word a verb!
Main Entry: adjective
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
: a word belonging to one of the major form classes in any of numerous languages and typically serving as a modifier of a noun to denote a quality of the thing named, to indicate its quantity or extent, or to specify a thing as distinct from something else
The deal is this...there are several types of usage for the word...it can be a noun, as in, "Her pregnant GLOW..."; an adjective, usually with a suffix, such as "GLOWING embers..."; and as a gerund, such as "GLOWING is what a firefly does best"... Also, just to throw another monkey wrench into the works, it can be an adverb, such as, "The fire is glowing..." I'll see if I can find my Rober'ts AMERICAN GRAMMER...I think my ex still has it...but any library should have a copy.
In this instance, the phrase "East Glows" makes the word sound like an adverb, because not only does it modify the subject, it describes what the subject is doing. The East is GLOWING. At least, that's what it sounds like to our English ears. But, you have to remember that we're dealing with a totally different culture here, with a different set of grammatical rules. The Chinese language has so many different characters and dialects that it is virtually impossible for ANYONE to be completely fluent. And, the older a person is, the more words they know...
I used to be an English teacher, many, many years ago...couldn't tell by most of my posts, but I was. Really.
Class dismissed.
Dan
I glow
thou glowest
he (she,it) glows
In this case The East is he (she,it) (third person singular).
Typical (if true) speling of "American Grammer"
I though he was an actor. ;D
Quote from: Allan L on February 06, 2008, 03:19:24 PM
I glow
thou glowest
he (she,it) glows
In this case The East is he (she,it) (third person singular).
Typical (if true) speling of "American Grammer"
I though he was an actor. ;D
Oops...he is. It's G-R-A-M-M-A-R...I've been watching FRASIER reruns too long...
Dan
OK ???
By the way I found this on the Georgano's Encyclopedya :
"BEIJING (p); PEKING (wg) (chi) 1958;1966 to date
Beijing Motor Vehicle Factory, Beijing
The original car from this factory was a large sedan with v-8 engine made in very limited numbers. This vehicle was erroneously referred to as "The East Glows" in earlier editions of this book."
No entries about "The East Glows".
I found some forums where is reported this name toghether with Zhonggui but that's all...so IMHO someone put a scanned pic of the first edition of Georgano's Encyclopedia with that name and than it lasted!
At the end I think that is a Beijing V8 Sedan!
;)
Someone else had noticed the "East Glows" years before, and dreamed about it since. Autopuzzles is eventually referred to in this (nice) story about the car.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/auto-biography-in-search-of-the-east-glows/
Opps, it seems I broke someone's heart!
...and what about the point?
Hasn't it been given weeks ago to Grob, yourself, or both?
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You will be surprised to learn that one of these cars, of which 22 examples were build still exists. It has a designation: CB4 and was based on an earlier convertible.
The V8 developed 188hp with which a top speed of 160km/h could be achieved. It was presented at the tenth anniversary of the People's republic, September 28th, 1959. The convertible was introduced around the same time one year earlier. The car has three rows of seats. The car was made until 1962.
I found I was a bit to quick. The puzzle picture does not seem to have a designation and was probably the first of six cars made under the name Beijing. They had the five star of China on the hood, whereas later ones (The convertible and CB4) had a logo.
1. Beijing Limousine first model, 6 made 1958-1959.
2. Beijing Inspection model, open car, 2 made 1958.
3. Beijing CB4 limousine, 22 made 1959- 1962. (one in the FAW Warehouse collection)
The mentioned "Peace" is a different car. According to the same source it was made by Tianjin.
Is this the original puzzle image?