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Title: Puzzle #688 - Solved! Beijing Motor Vehicle V8 (AKA "East Glows")
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 01, 2008, 07:20:57 AM
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Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 02, 2008, 09:21:45 AM
Hi, is that a Peace?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Tifosi on January 02, 2008, 12:26:52 PM
It looks for all the world like a cross between a Humber Super Snipe and a 1958 Studebaker President...I don't suppose it could be a derivitive of either...?



Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 03, 2008, 04:32:33 AM
Quote from: PAUL JARAY on January 02, 2008, 09:21:45 AM
Hi, is that a Peace?

A 'piece', perhaps, but that is not the make or model designation.  ;)
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 03, 2008, 04:33:53 AM
Quote from: Tifosi on January 02, 2008, 12:26:52 PM
It looks for all the world like a cross between a Humber Super Snipe and a 1958 Studebaker President...I don't suppose it could be a derivitive of either...?

Esthetically, perhaps; I don't think there was any manufacturer collaboration.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Tifosi on January 03, 2008, 03:08:08 PM
It reminds me of the Devrim, from Turkey...but I wonder if it isn't from India?


Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: @re on January 03, 2008, 06:02:48 PM
If it's from India, it ought to be RHD.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 04, 2008, 04:36:40 AM
Neither Devrim nor Turk.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Tifosi on January 04, 2008, 01:57:41 PM
Is it Soviet or Eastern-bloc?


Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 04, 2008, 03:23:16 PM
No.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: D-type on January 04, 2008, 04:48:25 PM
:huh:  Ford  Vedette?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Tifosi on January 05, 2008, 02:05:36 AM
I know it's LHD, but could it be Japanese?


Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 05, 2008, 02:41:09 AM
Quote from: D-type on January 04, 2008, 04:48:25 PM
:huh:  Ford  Vedette?

Not a Ford.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 05, 2008, 02:42:08 AM
Quote from: Tifosi on January 05, 2008, 02:05:36 AM
I know it's LHD, but could it be Japanese?


Dan

No, but you are getting slightly warmer...
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Tifosi on January 05, 2008, 01:30:45 PM
Dong Feng?


Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 06, 2008, 02:58:08 AM
无
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Tifosi on January 06, 2008, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: KarnUtz on January 06, 2008, 02:58:08 AM
无


?


Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 07, 2008, 01:52:37 AM
That's the simple Chinese character for "no".
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Tifosi on January 09, 2008, 02:16:12 PM
Hong Qi?

Am I getting any warmer?


Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 10, 2008, 04:58:07 AM
Geographically, yes.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Tifosi on January 10, 2008, 03:21:52 PM
Is it Korean?


Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 11, 2008, 03:24:08 AM
No.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: SeaLion on January 11, 2008, 06:39:24 AM
So it is chinese, but no-one has guessed the right car yet.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 11, 2008, 06:55:59 AM
That is correct.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: D-type on January 12, 2008, 01:11:15 PM
Chinese, but not Eastern Bloc - Does that mean Taiwan? 

Or is it that China is so far east that it's west and not part of the Eastern Bloc from a US perspective?  If you see what I mean.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 13, 2008, 03:25:40 AM
"Eastern Bloc", as I understand it, was the USSR and it's satellites.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: @re on January 13, 2008, 04:50:38 AM
Agreed. Eastern Bloc countries were the former USSR and its associates in Eastern Europe (DDR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Albania, Rumania, Bulgaria and Hungary).
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Tifosi on January 13, 2008, 10:54:16 AM
So, is it from Mainland China or Taiwan?


Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 13, 2008, 11:57:43 AM
Quote
So it is chinese, but no-one has guessed the right car yet.

Quote
That is correct.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: imprezaf on January 13, 2008, 06:36:50 PM
Is it a Hongqi?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 14, 2008, 02:41:01 AM
Not a Hong Qi or a Hongqi.

I believe this car is from mainland China.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: D-type on January 14, 2008, 08:57:27 AM
Red Flag?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: @re on January 14, 2008, 09:09:57 AM
Hong Qi is Chinese for Red Flag - it's the same car :)
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 19, 2008, 04:01:00 AM
You know, China is not that far from Japan.  :)
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: grobmotorix on January 19, 2008, 08:54:49 AM
Could be a ca. 1958 Prince Skyline or Gloria...
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 19, 2008, 10:59:48 AM
No, it's from China - the "Japan" comment was a clue of a different nature.  8)
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Tifosi on January 19, 2008, 05:56:14 PM
Quote from: KarnUtz on January 19, 2008, 10:59:48 AM
No, it's from China - the "Japan" comment was a clue of a different nature.  8)



I'm lost....


Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: grobmotorix on January 19, 2008, 09:13:25 PM
FAW CA 770 or 772? FAW=FirstAutomobileWorks, the brand name is Honqui (=red flag)
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Tifosi on January 19, 2008, 10:47:37 PM
It can't be a Hongqi...they look like this...
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 20, 2008, 03:09:17 AM
Quote from: Tifosi on January 19, 2008, 05:56:14 PM


Hmmm... If you wait for sun up, you may perhaps orient yourself correctly. 
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 20, 2008, 06:44:44 AM
Hi, is that a Beijing\Peking BJ750?
That is the Beijing Buick Special from 1955...
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 20, 2008, 07:01:36 AM
By the way, my first reply was correct...I tought it was a PEACE, former He-PING,former HO-PING active in China from 1958-1960, it was a sedan Plymouth-like powered with a 4-cylinder 55hp engine.
"Peace" is "Heping" in Mandarin and "Hoping" in Cantonese.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 20, 2008, 08:59:35 AM
Quote from: PAUL JARAY on January 20, 2008, 06:44:44 AM
Hi, is that a Beijing\Peking BJ750?
That is the Beijing Buick Special from 1955...

It certainly looks similar. I would not be surprised to find they are related.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 20, 2008, 11:01:28 AM
There are only few last....the Feng-Huang, then Phoenix, (1958-1965) built several cars, one similar to the american Plymouth (again) and one based on a Mercedes Benz 220. During the 1965 the name was changed to Shanghai.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 20, 2008, 11:14:57 AM
The last one is the Dong-Feng, AKA Tung-Feng,AKA East Wind with the CA-71 model that is quite different.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 25, 2008, 05:47:34 AM
 ::)
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 25, 2008, 05:48:31 AM
I haven't seen the correct model designation posted yet.

Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 25, 2008, 05:51:14 AM
But is there the correct maker? (Dong-Feng\Tung-Feng\East Wind or Feng-Huang\Phoenix\Shangai)?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 25, 2008, 06:01:35 AM
To be honest, I don't know. The scant reference to this car has referred to it by a two-word name, similar to one of the names you posted. Said references do not specify if the name is the maker or the model.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Paul Jaray on January 25, 2008, 06:06:16 AM
There was also the Progress, built by (or built in) Chung King in 1958
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: D-type on January 25, 2008, 08:29:20 AM
The problem with Chinese (mandarin) is that transliteration into the Roman alphabet is a hit and miss process - eg Dong feng/Tung feng.  Translation is also hit and miss eg East Wind/Dawn Wind.  So similar names in 'English' may be the same in Chinese
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 26, 2008, 02:30:37 AM
The correct compass direction - part of the name - was mentioned in one of the answers above...
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on January 30, 2008, 05:47:37 AM
The other half of the name is an adjective...
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Tifosi on January 31, 2008, 02:49:34 PM
Whoever styled it was a real master...I see echoes of a 1957 Ford, a 1958 Studebaker, a 1956 Chevrolet, and a 1958 Ford...the single headlight version even has some Rambler overtones in the grille...the guy coulda worked for George Barris...


But I'm lost for a name...


Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: SeaLion on January 31, 2008, 06:28:34 PM
Quote from: KarnUtz
The correct compass direction - part of the name - was mentioned in one of the answers above...
The other half of the name is an adjective...
... East or East ... Something.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Allan L on February 01, 2008, 03:21:18 AM
Mystic East, Red East or similar?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 01, 2008, 04:44:28 AM
Very close...
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Allan L on February 01, 2008, 05:19:26 AM
Go East . . (young man)
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 01, 2008, 05:40:24 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 03, 2008, 08:47:32 AM
Think back to an earlier clue...
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 03, 2008, 09:01:11 AM
There is something of "Japanese" related to Feng-Huang\Phoenix\Shangai?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 03, 2008, 09:10:56 AM
Japanese connection to the name, not the car.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 03, 2008, 09:25:21 AM
I got that, but is "Japanese" the adjective you told before or something like "east" ? And the part mentioned before was again "east" or Feng-Huang\Whattehelll\Phoenix\Shangai?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 03, 2008, 10:17:31 AM
There is a tie-in with what Japan is often referred to as. With that name in mind, the East takes on a specific characteristic.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 03, 2008, 10:19:51 AM
There's the sun involved? Like Rising sun?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 03, 2008, 10:21:06 AM
Though the sun is not part of the name of this car, you are on the right track...
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Tifosi on February 03, 2008, 11:39:01 PM
Eastern Samurai?  Shogun?


Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 04, 2008, 02:03:42 AM
Paul's last guess was closer to correct.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: SeaLion on February 04, 2008, 02:36:55 AM
Rising East?  ;D
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 04, 2008, 06:08:53 AM
...kamikaze...sword...
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Ultra on February 04, 2008, 11:38:10 AM
East rising.

East Sun.

Dawn Sun.

Rising Dawn.

I feel like I am doing a poetry excersize.   :-\
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 04, 2008, 11:59:59 AM
OK, so what happens to the East when the sun rises?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 04, 2008, 12:53:52 PM
Rising Light?
Rising Day?
Rising Deads?
Eastern Light?
Eastern Sunrise?
Eastern Dawn?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 04, 2008, 01:00:51 PM
Eastern Day?
Eastern Rise?
Rising East?
Rising Eastern Sushi?
Eastern Banzai Rising Child?
Eastern Kamikaze Rising Sword?

Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: @re on February 04, 2008, 02:50:46 PM
Waking East?

I must say I have a feeling that Paul really wants this one :D
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: grobmotorix on February 04, 2008, 05:09:14 PM
I´m just sitting here and I´m wondering about those poetical chinese people...

So what about:

Glowing East

or

 Shining East?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: D-type on February 05, 2008, 04:23:19 AM
Could it be Red East?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 05, 2008, 04:42:22 AM
Quote from: grobmotorix on February 04, 2008, 05:09:14 PM
I´m just sitting here and I´m wondering about those poetical chinese people...

So what about:

Glowing East

Well, that's about as close as we are likely to get. The name of the car is "East Glows" (when the sun rises in the East, the East glows), which was produced in China, and much more than that, I don't know.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688 - Solved! East Glows
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 05, 2008, 05:25:03 AM
You mean the Zhong-gui from 1964?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688 - Solved! East Glows
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 05, 2008, 05:53:16 AM
You mean zhong guo?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688 - Solved! East Glows
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 05, 2008, 06:05:10 AM
I'm going to chek this out, 'cause I know that there are some reference to that somewhere...I found Zhonggui but I'll verify.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Allan L on February 05, 2008, 10:46:57 AM
Quote from: KarnUtz on January 30, 2008, 05:47:37 AM
The other half of the name is an adjective...
East Glows
In England we'd call that second word a verb!

I thought I remembered a car called The East Glows, but couldn't find it in Georgano so thought I'd misremembered it.
I've just looked in the Georgano First Edition (1968) and there on page 558 it is, using the identical photo as in post 1, the name as I've quoted made in China Car factory No 1, Peking (as we called it then) from 1964

Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 06, 2008, 04:39:40 AM
Quote from: Allan L on February 05, 2008, 10:46:57 AM
Quote from: KarnUtz on January 30, 2008, 05:47:37 AM
The other half of the name is an adjective...
East Glows
In England we'd call that second word a verb!

Main Entry: adjective
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
: a word belonging to one of the major form classes in any of numerous languages and typically serving as a modifier of a noun to denote a quality of the thing named, to indicate its quantity or extent, or to specify a thing as distinct from something else
Title: Re: Puzzle #688
Post by: Tifosi on February 06, 2008, 03:11:44 PM
Quote from: KarnUtz on February 06, 2008, 04:39:40 AM
Quote from: Allan L on February 05, 2008, 10:46:57 AM
Quote from: KarnUtz on January 30, 2008, 05:47:37 AM
The other half of the name is an adjective...
East Glows
In England we'd call that second word a verb!

Main Entry: adjective
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
: a word belonging to one of the major form classes in any of numerous languages and typically serving as a modifier of a noun to denote a quality of the thing named, to indicate its quantity or extent, or to specify a thing as distinct from something else


The deal is this...there are several types of usage  for the word...it can be a noun, as in, "Her pregnant GLOW..."; an adjective, usually with a suffix, such as "GLOWING embers..."; and as a gerund, such as "GLOWING is what a firefly does best"... Also, just to throw another monkey wrench into the works, it can be an adverb, such as, "The fire is glowing..."  I'll see if I can find my Rober'ts AMERICAN GRAMMER...I think my ex still has it...but any library should have a copy.

In this instance, the phrase "East Glows" makes the word sound like an adverb, because not only does it modify the subject, it describes what the subject is doing.  The East is GLOWING.  At least, that's what it sounds like to our English ears.  But, you have to remember that we're dealing with a totally different culture here, with a different set of grammatical rules.  The Chinese language has so many different characters and dialects that it is virtually impossible for ANYONE to be completely fluent.  And, the older a person is, the more words they know...


I used to be an English teacher, many, many years ago...couldn't tell by most of my posts, but I was.  Really.

Class dismissed.



Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle #688 - Solved! East Glows
Post by: Allan L on February 06, 2008, 03:19:24 PM
I glow
thou glowest
he (she,it) glows

In this case The East is he (she,it) (third person singular).

Typical (if true) speling of "American Grammer"
I though he was an actor. ;D
Title: Re: Puzzle #688 - Solved! East Glows
Post by: Tifosi on February 07, 2008, 02:15:18 AM
Quote from: Allan L on February 06, 2008, 03:19:24 PM
I glow
thou glowest
he (she,it) glows

In this case The East is he (she,it) (third person singular).

Typical (if true) speling of "American Grammer"
I though he was an actor. ;D

Oops...he is.  It's G-R-A-M-M-A-R...I've been watching FRASIER reruns too long...


Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle #688 - Solved! East Glows
Post by: Otto Puzzell on February 07, 2008, 04:55:58 AM
OK  ???
Title: Re: Puzzle #688 - Solved! East Glows
Post by: Paul Jaray on March 28, 2008, 07:14:49 PM
By the way I found this on the Georgano's Encyclopedya :

"BEIJING (p); PEKING (wg) (chi) 1958;1966 to date
Beijing Motor Vehicle Factory, Beijing

The original car from this factory was a large sedan with v-8 engine made in very limited numbers. This vehicle was erroneously referred to as "The East Glows" in earlier editions of this book."


No entries about "The East Glows".
I found some forums where is reported this name toghether with Zhonggui but that's all...so IMHO someone put a scanned pic of the first edition of Georgano's Encyclopedia with that name and than it lasted!
At the end I think that is a Beijing V8 Sedan!
Title: Re: Puzzle #688 - Solved! East Glows
Post by: Otto Puzzell on March 29, 2008, 06:38:42 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: Puzzle #688 - Solved! East Glows
Post by: Ray B. on June 26, 2008, 09:36:31 AM
Someone else had noticed the "East Glows" years before, and dreamed about it since.  Autopuzzles is eventually referred to in this (nice) story about the car.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/auto-biography-in-search-of-the-east-glows/
Title: Re: Puzzle #688 - Solved! East Glows
Post by: Paul Jaray on June 26, 2008, 10:43:34 AM
Opps, it seems I broke someone's heart!






...and what about the point?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688 - Solved! East Glows
Post by: Ray B. on June 26, 2008, 11:02:42 AM
Hasn't it been given weeks ago to Grob, yourself, or both?
Title: Re: Puzzle #688 - Solved! East Glows
Post by: Ultra on November 17, 2010, 08:27:49 AM
Upcoming Rare Car of the Week!
Title: Re: Puzzle #688 - Solved! Beijing Motor Vehicle V8 (AKA "East Glows")
Post by: DeAutogids on November 18, 2010, 05:27:42 PM
Thanks to a book by Erik van Ingen Schenau I can unravel more!

You will be surprised to learn that one of these cars, of which 22 examples were build still exists. It has a designation: CB4 and was based on an earlier convertible.

The V8 developed 188hp with which a top speed of 160km/h could be achieved. It was presented at the tenth anniversary of the People's republic, September 28th, 1959. The convertible was introduced around the same time one year earlier. The car has three rows of seats. The car was made until 1962.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688 - Solved! Beijing Motor Vehicle V8 (AKA "East Glows")
Post by: DeAutogids on November 22, 2010, 11:12:42 AM
I found I was a bit to quick. The puzzle picture does not seem to have a designation and was probably the first of six cars made under the name Beijing. They had the five star of China on the hood, whereas later ones (The convertible and CB4) had a logo.

1. Beijing Limousine first model, 6 made 1958-1959.
2. Beijing Inspection model, open car, 2 made 1958.
3. Beijing CB4 limousine, 22 made 1959- 1962. (one in the FAW Warehouse collection)

The mentioned "Peace" is a different car. According to the same source it was made by Tianjin.
Title: Re: Puzzle #688 - Solved! Beijing Motor Vehicle V8 (AKA "East Glows")
Post by: sixtee5cuda on April 12, 2017, 08:37:46 PM
Is this the original puzzle image?