Maybe a tough one...
Make and designation for a point!
to the next level!
It is a Fiat-based Murena, and the coachbuilder was something like Baldelli...
Quote from: franck.kegelart on March 25, 2010, 09:47:49 AM
It is a Fiat-based Murena, and the coachbuilder was something like Baldelli...
:faint:
Where the hell did you got this from? (seemingly from a French source, like me!)
Coachbuilder Baldelli came from Sicilia, but I do not know much more about the car!
Additional infos are highly appreciated!
I don't know much myself about this car... I have the same pic with some explanations in a Spécial Salon issue of the french periodical L'Auto-Journal ; there is also a little notice in Roger Gloor's book Alle Autos der 70s...
Exactly my source! The 1972 edition of "Le Salon De L'Auto " published by L'AUTO-JOURNAL.
And the Gloor book says in its chapter for small series cars: Baldelli presented 1971 in Turin a weird looking 2+2 coupe which was named 'Murena'. Equipped with 1,3l or 1,6l Fiat engines a small series was planned. Remarkable was the odd-shaped rear side window.
(unfortunately hardly to see on that pic)
I guess it must be featured in one of the period Italian magazines like QR as well. Maybe PJ or 75america take a look?
I was wating for this too... :-\
Carrozzeria Baldelli was from Capo d'Orlando, Messina.
It's a 2+2 studied for 1200 to 1600cc engines.
It is featured on Quattroruote #191.
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 25, 2010, 01:04:46 PM
I was wating for this too... :-\
to solve or to share infos?
both...
there are few lines on the Beaulieu too, with nothing more than what's already been wrote.
Nothing in the '71 QR issues?
Yes, in the #191, and in the same issue is featured another car, still unsolved....
some more pictures in that issue?
A drawing of the car, more or less from the same angle, with the side of the car more visible: nothisg wrong with the rear-window, it seems.
I'll upload it, but not these days...quite busy...
OK, thank you!
Never too busy...
Thank you! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 25, 2010, 01:17:28 PM
Yes, in the #191, and in the same issue is featured another car, still unsolved....
:scratch: Something that already arrived in the pro section (or beyond)?
Unfortunately not!
Hope we won't wait ten years to bring it to light...
Quote from: 75america on March 25, 2010, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 25, 2010, 01:17:28 PM
Yes, in the #191, and in the same issue is featured another car, still unsolved....
:scratch: Something that already arrived in the pro section (or beyond)?
:scratch:
Quote from: Allemano on March 28, 2010, 01:37:40 PM
Quote from: 75america on March 25, 2010, 04:14:52 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on March 25, 2010, 01:17:28 PM
Yes, in the #191, and in the same issue is featured another car, still unsolved....
:scratch: Something that already arrived in the pro section (or beyond)?
:scratch:
It was this:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=11393.0
A-ha! Thanks.
Hi!
My name is Debora Baldelli and I can tell you a bit more about Murena. Murena was created by Angelo, Gianni and Giorgio Baldelli. Giorgio is my father, Gianni and Angelo are my uncles. Gianni still has a car workshop in Rome; Angelo worked several years projecting (drawing) car engines (sorry, don't know the specific name of that), even for Lamborghini. Now Angelo lives in Brazil. Giorgio my father was responsible for making me a car lover, kind of a family tradition. Unfortunately he passed away a few years ago.
Angelo would love to talk about Murena. If you have any questions, he can answer them in English, Italian, French and Portuguese. I have just sent him a picture of Murena last week (I have lots of pictures) and it's in his profile picture at facebook. Go talk to him overthere:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002068684607
I have a video about Murena, it was recorded at a Swiss TV many many years ago. I will do my best to upload it at youtube.
Sorry if I can't give more details, I just think my uncle Angelo is the best person to do that. I will send him this forum query just after I click on the "post" button :)
Thanks for all your interest about my family's car. I was really happy to read all of this.
Best,
Debora Baldelli
WOW! These are good news!
Thank you so much for posting Debora!
Maybe that will start a new discussion for a Autopuzzles.com account at FB!
Ciao Deborah,
benvenuta ad Autopuzzles!
Please try to share some pictures of this interesting car and once you let your uncle join this forum, don't leave...you are a car lover after all ;)
I'll be in Rome next week, can you give me the name of Gianni's workshop? If I'll have time I can try to contact him!
At least one picture I already could save from A. Baldelli's fb profile:
Quote from: Allemano on March 03, 2011, 08:04:21 AM
WOW! These are good news!
Thank you so much for posting Debora!
Maybe that will start a new discussion for a Autopuzzles.com account at FB!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/AutoPuzzlescom/183610315015650
Hi! :)
thank you for all you interest in Murena, you have no idea how this make my family happy!
I will try to get together some pictures I have of Murena to post it here and as soon as I can, I'll upload the youtube video.
Paul Jaray, were you able to contact my uncle Angelo? I don't remember the name of uncle Gianni's car workshop... Send me your email and I will help you get in touch with them. My email is deb.baldelli (at ) gmail (dot) com
Best,
Debora Baldelli
Ciao Debora,
I'll send you an email right away.
Can you tell us if the Murena was based on Fiat parts?
We have a member who wrote several books about Fiat based car and his next book is about 124 & 125 derivates... (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=13670.100).
I never had the chance to contact your uncle Angelo, but if uncle Gianni is still in business in Rome I can try to pass by his place next week and have a chat with him...
Time to move this in the "Rare Car of the Week" area...
More info and pics are coming soon!
This thread will be the first linked onto our Facebook page as a Rare Car of the Week!
This is really un-be-lie-va-ble!
Debora from Brazil told us that his uncle Giovanni is still in business in Rome...his uncle Angelo told me he sold his workshop and now works in a carrozzeria that is.....1km from where I lived for nearly 10years in Rome...along the same street!!
Tomorrow I'll be there and I'll make a short walk till his workplace and look for more....
Ah...I will also post some more pics I received from Angelo, plus some details.
It's a small world PJ ;)
Looking forward to seeing more photos and information
:hyper:
Hello everyone,
together with Paul Jaray we have prepared some information and description about the Baldelli Murena. The article on my website is already available HERE (http://www.allcarindex.com/blog/entry/allcarindex/DISCOVERED-Baldelli-Murena-PART-I). I bet PJ will post his info and pictures (which are amazing, but not of a very good quality, as you can notice) as soon as he's back online.
Enjoy and much thanks for AutoPuzzles! :thumbsup: :applause:
Thank you so much, though the pics are indeed somewhat disappointing.
How I wished there would be a side and rear view available..
I met Mr Baldelli yesterday.
We talked about his car in his workplace, between Ferraris (599, 612, ...) a couple of Maserati Granturismo (coupe and cabrio) an Alfa Romeo 8c spider, .... and he promised more pics.
He is a very pleasant man and you can feel his passion for the car he and his brothers did back in the 70s.
They just had the right idea in the wrong time.
He and his brothers worked on other projects too and he is going to show me some scale models he did for Bugatti, Ferrari, and more...
I'll collect all I can, take pictures, scanning papers, whatever and then you'll have all too...
It will take some time because I don't know where I'll be back in Rome but when I'll do I'll just have to take a walk into that amazing place...
I received pictures, an old newspaper and a 10-minutes video of the Murena in action.
I'll have to organize the whole thing and I'll be back...in the meantime:
Very cool! :thumbsup:
Superb!
Wow - much smaller than I would have guessed!
While I'm waiting to receive the info about Mr Baldelli's following projects, I'll post here few pics of his scale models.
We already saw his microcar, which was a proposal for Tasso...never materialized due to its cost for production.
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=16352.75#msg156104
Here you are a scale model of the car that was supposed to replace the Countach:
Wow! Thank you so much!
I'm waiting for the correct year of this model...Mr Baldelli told me that it was well before many other cars that later shared similar lines...
I also found this drawing of a proposal for a restyling of the rear end of the Countach...look at the year:
I don't know what Paolo Martin may think about it, but take a look at Baldelli's proposal for Bugatti:
Quote from: Paul Jaray on April 18, 2011, 08:37:28 AM
I don't know what Paolo Martin may think about it, but take a look at Baldelli's proposal for Bugatti:
Depends on the date it was made...
Mr. Baldelli seems to be quite busy and since I am too I'm not pushing...
In the meantime, Debora's been able to upload the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxSuWAQuOLo
(25views today...let's see!)
Great footage!
Another pic. The best I've seen so far