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Title: Solved -PJ230- Cadillac Le Sales by Motto 1955
Post by: Paul Jaray on September 28, 2009, 05:06:40 PM
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Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 02, 2009, 07:29:39 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 07, 2009, 07:21:47 AM
Pros?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Arunas on October 07, 2009, 08:13:25 AM
I like this one! Italian?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 07, 2009, 08:19:48 AM
It doesn't look italian at all, does it?
(unless your question is not about the car...)
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: João on October 07, 2009, 02:15:31 PM
And Spohn coachwork on american chassis?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 07, 2009, 02:16:53 PM
Quote from: João on October 07, 2009, 02:15:31 PM
And Spohn coachwork on american chassis.
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Arunas on October 07, 2009, 02:19:24 PM
German coachwork?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 07, 2009, 02:20:06 PM
Not German...
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Post by: Arunas on October 07, 2009, 02:23:51 PM
French?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 07, 2009, 02:31:31 PM
Not a French, nor a German Coachbuilder on an American chassis.
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 19, 2009, 07:15:24 AM
At least the American chassis should be easy?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: ImpishGrin on October 19, 2009, 08:56:09 AM
A Cadillac chassis? Eldorado Brougham maybe?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 19, 2009, 08:57:11 AM
That is a Cadillac...now go for the Coachbuilder and model's name.
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: faksta on October 19, 2009, 11:20:02 AM
Italian body? Ghia?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: DynaMike on October 19, 2009, 11:36:49 AM
Is it the 1954 Cadillac La Espada ?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: pnegyesi on October 19, 2009, 11:43:49 AM
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 19, 2009, 12:02:16 PM
Quote from: faksta on October 19, 2009, 11:20:02 AM
Italian body? Ghia?
Yes. No
Quote from: DynaMike on October 19, 2009, 11:36:49 AM
Is it the 1954 Cadillac La Espada ?
Not that...
Quote from: pnegyesi on October 19, 2009, 11:43:49 AM
Coachbuilder: Fleetwood
Not that...
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: 75america on October 19, 2009, 12:06:11 PM
Boano, or more obscure?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Allemano on October 19, 2009, 12:09:25 PM
The builder was definetely inspired by the La Espada though he left it badly proportioned.

I guess it's rather made by a little obscure workshop...
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 19, 2009, 12:16:02 PM
Quote from: 75america on October 19, 2009, 12:06:11 PM
Boano, or more obscure?
Not Boano...I won't say that is one of the obscure ones.
Quote from: Allemano on October 19, 2009, 12:09:25 PM
The builder was definetely inspired by the La Espada though he left it badly proportioned.
I guess it's rather made by a little obscure workshop...
...not so obscure...
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: faksta on October 19, 2009, 12:42:38 PM
Castagna maybe?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 19, 2009, 12:47:44 PM
Not Castagna...
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: pnegyesi on October 19, 2009, 12:54:32 PM
Vignale?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 19, 2009, 12:57:15 PM
Not Vignale.
The point will go to who will provide coachbuilder and name of this car, and it won't be locked after the 1st will be found.
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Arunas on October 19, 2009, 01:08:41 PM
Pininfarina?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 19, 2009, 01:19:43 PM
Not Pininfarina...
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Allemano on October 19, 2009, 01:32:13 PM
Lombardi?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 19, 2009, 01:38:36 PM
Not Lombardi...
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Allemano on October 19, 2009, 01:47:52 PM
Boneschi?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Arunas on October 19, 2009, 01:48:18 PM
Scaglietti?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 19, 2009, 02:39:39 PM
Ghia, Boano, Castagna, Vignale, Pininfarina, Lombardi, Boneschi, Scaglietti
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Allemano on October 19, 2009, 02:40:43 PM
Michelotti?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 19, 2009, 02:53:09 PM
Ghia, Boano, Castagna, Vignale, Pininfarina, Lombardi, Boneschi, Scaglietti, Michelotti
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Arunas on October 19, 2009, 02:57:26 PM
Stab. Farina?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Allemano on October 19, 2009, 03:05:19 PM
Touring?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 19, 2009, 03:08:13 PM
Ghia, Boano, Castagna, Vignale, Pininfarina, Lombardi, Boneschi, Scaglietti, Michelotti, Farina, Touring
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Allemano on October 19, 2009, 03:22:49 PM
1959/60 Frua resp. Italsuisse? (though there's only a limousine mentioned..)
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 19, 2009, 03:28:32 PM
Ghia, Boano, Castagna, Vignale, Pininfarina, Lombardi, Boneschi, Scaglietti, Michelotti, Farina, Touring, Frua, Italsuisse
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Allemano on October 19, 2009, 03:35:51 PM
Is there a Allemano badge on the front wing?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 19, 2009, 03:43:40 PM
Ghia, Boano, Castagna, Vignale, Pininfarina, Lombardi, Boneschi, Scaglietti, Michelotti, Farina, Touring, Frua, Italsuisse, Allemano
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Allemano on October 19, 2009, 03:46:00 PM
Viotti...or Fissore?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 19, 2009, 03:48:51 PM
Ghia, Boano, Castagna, Vignale, Pininfarina, Lombardi, Boneschi, Scaglietti, Michelotti, Farina, Touring, Frua, Italsuisse, Allemano, Viotti, Fissore
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Allemano on October 19, 2009, 03:51:21 PM
a ridiculous game, but ...... maybe Ghia Aigle?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 19, 2009, 03:56:37 PM
Ghia, Boano, Castagna, Vignale, Pininfarina, Lombardi, Boneschi, Scaglietti, Michelotti, Farina, Touring, Frua, Italsuisse, Allemano, Viotti, Fissore, Ghia-Aigle
Quote from: Allemano on October 19, 2009, 03:51:21 PM
a ridiculous game, but ...... maybe Ghia Aigle?
you can change game and try another way to find this  ;)
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Allemano on October 19, 2009, 04:04:02 PM
try to get another approach... maybe tomorrow..
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: jotage21 on October 19, 2009, 08:55:26 PM
Bertone?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2009, 05:49:19 AM
Ghia, Boano, Castagna, Vignale, Pininfarina, Lombardi, Boneschi, Scaglietti, Michelotti, Farina, Touring, Frua, Italsuisse, Allemano, Viotti, Fissore, Ghia-Aigle, Bertone
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: 75america on October 20, 2009, 11:52:45 AM
Motto?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: João on October 20, 2009, 12:01:46 PM
Monviso?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2009, 12:15:01 PM
Quote from: 75america on October 20, 2009, 11:52:45 AM
Motto?
:cheer: :cheer:
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2009, 12:20:43 PM
How many seconds till the answer arrives?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: 75america on October 20, 2009, 12:40:04 PM
 ???
Are you looking for a specific name for the car, or just the Cadillac basis where it is based on like Series 60S, Series 62 or Series 75?
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2009, 12:43:39 PM
The answer is easier than you may think.
This car has a specific name.
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: 75america on October 20, 2009, 12:51:27 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2009, 12:43:39 PM
The answer is easier than you may think.
This car has a specific name.

In that case Cadillac Convertible, Cadillac Cabriolet or Cadillac Roadster.

Or is it not THAT easy  :D
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2009, 12:55:20 PM
Not that easy, this car has a unic, specific name.
I'll tell you later why I thought it was very easy.
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: faksta on October 20, 2009, 12:59:55 PM
1953 Cadillac Le Sales? My yesterday's research turned no results on Motto Cadillacs :P
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2009, 01:02:47 PM
That's it, 1955 Cadillac Le Sales by Motto.
If you google "Motto + Cadillac", it should be the 2nd result.
Well done, 1 point for you.
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: 75america on October 20, 2009, 01:03:07 PM
Damned, alo just found the Cadillac Le Sales 1953 name on wikipedia  >:(
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: faksta on October 20, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
I also found it on wiki, an Italian one, but AFAIR it was a third page of Google results, not the second result.
Title: Re: PJ - 230
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2009, 01:05:18 PM
I used Google.it  ;D
Ok, probably not so easy.
Title: Re: Solved -PJ230- Cadillac Le Sales by Motto 1955
Post by: Allemano on October 20, 2009, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: faksta on October 20, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
I also found it on wiki, an Italian one, but AFAIR it was a third page of Google results, not the second result.

but only the reference not the original pic or am I blind?
Title: Re: Solved -PJ230- Cadillac Le Sales by Motto 1955
Post by: faksta on October 20, 2009, 01:55:17 PM
No, you're not - there's only a reference, nothing more.
Title: Re: Solved -PJ230- Cadillac Le Sales by Motto 1955
Post by: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2009, 01:58:23 PM
The pic cames from a magazine.
Title: Re: Solved -PJ230- Cadillac Le Sales by Motto 1955
Post by: João on August 14, 2010, 08:57:27 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on October 20, 2009, 01:58:23 PM
The pic cames from a magazine.

More pictures!!
Title: Re: Solved -PJ230- Cadillac Le Sales by Motto 1955
Post by: Allemano on August 15, 2010, 01:28:39 AM
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Solved -PJ230- Cadillac Le Sales by Motto 1955
Post by: Otto Puzzell on August 15, 2010, 03:43:18 AM
Le Sales (translation: The Sales)? Or LaSalle, (Cadillac's former companion brand, and a name used on Cadillac show cars)?

Title: Re: Solved -PJ230- Cadillac Le Sales by Motto 1955
Post by: boatguy on September 12, 2010, 12:55:28 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on September 28, 2009, 05:06:40 PM
Know what it is?

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Title: Re: Solved -PJ230- Cadillac Le Sales by Motto 1955
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 13, 2010, 03:42:09 AM
 :scratch:
Title: Re: Solved -PJ230- Cadillac Le Sales by Motto 1955
Post by: Paul Jaray on September 13, 2010, 07:56:33 AM
I received an email yesterday by a friend of the owner of this car.
The car is still alive and I asked him to add some more info and pics.
Title: Re: Solved -PJ230- Cadillac Le Sales by Motto 1955
Post by: Paul Jaray on September 21, 2010, 04:54:53 AM
I received more pics and a 2-page article about this car...it's much more than a simple coachbuilt car and the name of this creation is (the car still exists) "The Elegante".
I'll add all I have shortly.
In the meantime, another pic:
Title: Re: Solved -PJ230- Cadillac Le Sales by Motto 1955
Post by: Ray B. on September 23, 2010, 10:49:02 AM
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on August 15, 2010, 03:43:18 AM
Le Sales (translation: The Sales)?

"Le" suggest a french name, as any amateur of Pepé Le Pew is aware.
And "Le Sales" would rather be translated by "The Dirties", although there is is a grammatical impossibility, "Le" being singular and "Sales" plural.
Title: Re: Solved -PJ230- Cadillac Le Sales by Motto 1955
Post by: Otto Puzzell on September 23, 2010, 02:46:18 PM
Hey, come for a ride in my new The Dirties, baby!
Title: Re: Solved -PJ230- Cadillac Le Sales by Motto 1955
Post by: 75america on March 15, 2012, 10:41:24 AM
Same car (?) under construction:
Title: Re: Solved -PJ230- Cadillac Le Sales by Motto 1955
Post by: Allemano on December 08, 2014, 12:51:59 AM
A recent source simply calls it "Elegante".
And the original color was, err... gold white:
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