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Title: SOLVED: FW #296: Ernst Auwärter (Mercedes) L608 Heck, 1967-69
Post by: fromwien on May 14, 2022, 09:39:33 AM
Please be so kind and identify this bus for one point: Make? Type? Coachbuilder? Year?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on May 29, 2022, 03:40:15 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on June 08, 2022, 09:23:33 AM
Professionals?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pguillem on June 08, 2022, 12:55:47 PM
German ?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on June 08, 2022, 06:01:40 PM
Yes
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pguillem on June 08, 2022, 10:12:59 PM
Bodied by Auwärter ?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on June 09, 2022, 01:54:06 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pguillem on June 13, 2022, 02:24:31 PM
Vetter ?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on June 13, 2022, 03:18:35 PM
Not Vetter
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pguillem on June 13, 2022, 06:04:19 PM
Steib ?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on June 14, 2022, 02:22:01 AM
Not Steib
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on July 04, 2022, 06:21:21 AM
Masters?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: Wendax on July 04, 2022, 01:37:25 PM
Trying to confirm the obvious: Based on a Mercedes-Benz O 309?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on July 04, 2022, 05:09:55 PM
No
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: Wendax on July 05, 2022, 01:12:26 AM
Mercedes-Benz at least or am I fooled by the looks of it?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pnegyesi on July 06, 2022, 06:01:27 AM
is it based on a German chassis at all?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on July 06, 2022, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: Wendax on July 05, 2022, 01:12:26 AM
Mercedes-Benz at least or am I fooled by the looks of it?
Yes, Mercedes based
Quote from: pnegyesi on July 06, 2022, 06:01:27 AM
is it based on a German chassis at all?
Mercedes based
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: Wendax on July 06, 2022, 11:49:01 AM
Austrian coachbuilder?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on July 06, 2022, 01:34:32 PM
No
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: Wendax on July 06, 2022, 02:01:29 PM
German coachbuilder?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on July 06, 2022, 02:46:15 PM
Yes
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: Wendax on July 13, 2022, 01:52:20 AM
Well-known coachbuilder?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on July 13, 2022, 02:31:36 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: Wendax on July 13, 2022, 02:39:53 AM
Does the company still exist?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on July 13, 2022, 06:33:31 AM
I will say NO, as I haven't found current informations about this company. But for this case, I am not sure to be right or not
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: marmer on July 21, 2022, 12:34:22 PM
Harmening?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on July 25, 2022, 03:33:56 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pnegyesi on December 11, 2022, 01:11:30 PM
Quote from: fromwien on July 13, 2022, 06:33:31 AM
I will say NO, as I haven't found current informations about this company. But for this case, I am not sure to be right or not

Was/is the company based in Bavaria?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on December 11, 2022, 03:15:32 PM
No
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pnegyesi on December 11, 2022, 03:53:06 PM
Hessia?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on December 11, 2022, 06:04:51 PM
No
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pnegyesi on December 12, 2022, 12:00:53 AM
North Rhine-Westphalia?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on December 12, 2022, 06:05:43 AM
Yes

I would like to say, that for some time now I have been rather doubting the accuracy of my source, but I would like to continue the puzzle according to it
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pnegyesi on December 12, 2022, 06:21:17 AM
Seyser&Gossler?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on December 12, 2022, 06:27:01 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pnegyesi on December 12, 2022, 06:30:02 AM
Puppe?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on December 12, 2022, 07:54:50 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pnegyesi on December 12, 2022, 01:08:36 PM
Kemner?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on December 12, 2022, 06:02:02 PM
No
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pnegyesi on December 13, 2022, 01:19:21 PM
Westrick?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on December 13, 2022, 02:12:25 PM
No
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on March 23, 2023, 06:17:50 PM
Dear AutoPuzzlers,
I have to excuse myself to all of you, who tried to find the right solution for the coachbuilder of this bus.
Yesterday I found a second and much more reliable source, which describes this bus in all its details very carefully.
The coachbuilder is "Ernst Auwärter", as "pguillem" stated with one of his replies correctly.

So we have:

Make: Mercedes
Coachbuilder: Ernst Auwärter

Still to find:

Designation?
Type and special feature of the chassis?
Year?

I think, it will only be fair -due to my mistake- to LOCK for "pguillem" for three attempts to find the remaining answers

Sorry once again
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pguillem on March 25, 2023, 09:18:27 AM
Quote from: fromwien on March 23, 2023, 06:17:50 PM
Dear AutoPuzzlers,
I have to excuse myself to all of you, who tried to find the right solution for the coachbuilder of this bus.
Yesterday I found a second and much more reliable source, which describes this bus in all its details very carefully.
The coachbuilder is "Ernst Auwärter", as "pguillem" stated with one of his replies correctly.

So we have:

Make: Mercedes
Coachbuilder: Ernst Auwärter

Still to find:

Designation?
Type and special feature of the chassis?
Year?

I think, it will only be fair -due to my mistake- to LOCK for "pguillem" for three attempts to find the remaining answers

Sorry once again

Designation? Teamstar ?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on March 25, 2023, 04:44:25 PM
It is a ....(four characters)-star, but not a Teamstar
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pguillem on March 25, 2023, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: fromwien on March 25, 2023, 04:44:25 PM
It is a ....(four characters)-star, but not a Teamstar

O 309 ?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on March 26, 2023, 03:51:09 AM
No
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: sichel on March 26, 2023, 06:59:20 AM
Sorry, the puzzle is locked.
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on March 26, 2023, 07:43:35 AM
Yes, LOCKED for 'pguillem' for two more trials
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pguillem on March 26, 2023, 09:37:29 AM
"608D" ?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on March 26, 2023, 10:24:13 AM
Very nearly correct
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: pguillem on March 26, 2023, 10:54:51 AM
614D ?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on March 26, 2023, 11:26:46 AM
No, the digits were correct..
Sorry, now open for all again
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: sichel on March 26, 2023, 11:29:07 AM
It is a "Cubstar", based on a LP 608.
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on March 26, 2023, 12:15:20 PM
Sorry, both, designation and base are not precise enough as necessary
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: Wendax on March 26, 2023, 01:40:59 PM
Clubstar on LPO 608?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on March 26, 2023, 01:42:02 PM
Clubstar is correct, but not the complete designation
LPO 608 not
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: Wendax on March 26, 2023, 01:45:03 PM
LP 811?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on March 26, 2023, 01:48:34 PM
No, the digits '608' are correct
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: Wendax on March 26, 2023, 01:51:43 PM
O 608?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: sichel on March 26, 2023, 02:15:53 PM
LPL 608
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on March 26, 2023, 03:23:38 PM
Quote from: Wendax on March 26, 2023, 01:51:43 PM
O 608?
No
Quote from: sichel on March 26, 2023, 02:15:53 PM
LPL 608
No
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: sichel on March 26, 2023, 03:53:47 PM
LPS 608
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on March 26, 2023, 04:01:41 PM
No
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: Wendax on March 26, 2023, 04:45:31 PM
L 608 D?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on March 26, 2023, 04:52:32 PM
Yes. LOCKED for you to find:
1) Complete designation and special feature of the chassis?
Year (approx. as these buses were built over a period)?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: Wendax on March 27, 2023, 01:47:25 PM
Well, regarding the year the L 608 D appeared in 1968. The Ernst Auwärter Clubstar already appeared in 1965. Telling by the looks I'd say it was built around 1970. The complete designation may be the L 608 D follwed by a / and a number referencing to th wheelbase in decimeters (35?). The special feature which you didn't ask for initially may have been a Telma retarder.
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on March 27, 2023, 03:55:17 PM
Yes, the year is 1967 to 1969
I asked additionally for the special feature (not Telma retarder) as it is part of the car's designation. Not digits, but a German word

Wheelbase is 340cm
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: Wendax on March 28, 2023, 03:18:21 AM
Was it converted to rear engine? Then it would be a L 608 H. There was a similar conversion done by Vetter for their Clubbus.
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on March 28, 2023, 04:03:11 AM
Yes. Rear mounted engine
Now I have three sources with three different designations of the bus:
1) Mercedes L 608 Heck Clubstar
2) Mercedes Clubstar Heck
3) Both of them in the text
At that time, to my knowledge, two 80 HP engine types (gasoline and diesel) were available by Mercedes for the L 608. I couldn't find out, which variant was used on this bus.
In my opinion, this puzzle is solved. You are invited, to make a suggestion for the correct designation.

FOR AN ADDITIONAL POINT: WHO DID THE CHASSIS CONVERSION (engine from front to the rear)?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: Wendax on March 28, 2023, 04:22:47 AM
Clerck?
Title: Re: FW #296
Post by: fromwien on March 28, 2023, 06:53:34 AM
Exactly. Here's your bonus point
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #296: Ernst Auwärter (Mercedes) L608 Heck, 1967-69
Post by: Wendax on March 28, 2023, 07:24:45 AM
Thank you very much, Clerck was a lucky guess.
Title: Re: SOLVED: FW #296: Ernst Auwärter (Mercedes) L608 Heck, 1967-69
Post by: fromwien on March 28, 2023, 08:56:21 AM
 :thumbsup: