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Title: Solved: GTE 189 - 1979 March-Nissan Formula Pacific
Post by: gte4289 on October 14, 2019, 08:50:48 AM
Please identify this car (year, chassis and engine) for a point.
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 21, 2019, 03:08:43 PM
Experts?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 23, 2019, 02:13:11 AM
North American Formula Atlantic March 79B
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 23, 2019, 11:19:17 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 23, 2019, 02:13:11 AM
North American Formula Atlantic March 79B
North American Formula Atlantic March 79B
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 24, 2019, 06:21:08 AM
March 783?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 24, 2019, 08:50:39 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 24, 2019, 06:21:08 AM
March 783?
Not 783
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 24, 2019, 08:59:44 AM
March 782
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 24, 2019, 12:06:49 PM
Quote from: Mogul on October 24, 2019, 08:59:44 AM
March 782
Not 782
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: bsa on October 24, 2019, 08:33:15 PM
built at 1970s
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 24, 2019, 09:15:16 PM
Quote from: bsa on October 24, 2019, 08:33:15 PM
built at 1970s
Yes
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: bsa on October 24, 2019, 09:44:17 PM
Formula 3 1979 March 793 with Toyota block
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 24, 2019, 10:02:09 PM
Quote from: bsa on October 24, 2019, 09:44:17 PM
Formula 3 1979 March 793 with Toyota block
Formula 3 1979 March 793 with Toyota block

We are inching closer...
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: bsa on October 24, 2019, 10:13:43 PM
ford block?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 24, 2019, 10:25:06 PM
Quote from: bsa on October 24, 2019, 10:13:43 PM
ford block?
Not Ford
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: bsa on October 24, 2019, 11:13:33 PM
79V w/Alfa Romeo block?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 24, 2019, 11:47:34 PM
Quote from: bsa on October 24, 2019, 11:13:33 PM
79V w/Alfa Romeo block?
Wrong chassis and block
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 02:20:10 AM
March 79V, VW (Formula Super Vee)?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 25, 2019, 02:53:51 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 02:20:10 AM
March 79V, VW (Formula Super Vee)?
March 79V, VW (Formula Super Vee)

Not 79V chassis (see above) and not VW engine
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 03:12:02 AM
March 79B
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 25, 2019, 05:49:42 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 03:12:02 AM
March 79B
Not 79B (see my Reply #3 above)
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 05:52:34 AM
It is a 1979 model?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 25, 2019, 05:56:08 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 05:52:34 AM
It is a 1979 model?
Yes, confirmed in Reply #11

Let me recap for everyone:

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79V

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW

Series
North American Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 06:02:35 AM
Is it a F2 car?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 25, 2019, 06:42:23 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 06:02:35 AM
Is it a F2 car?
Not F2

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79V

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW

Series
North American Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 07:06:38 AM
F3 car?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 25, 2019, 07:18:03 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 07:06:38 AM
F3 car?
Not raced in F3 either

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79V

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW

Series
North American Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 07:21:23 AM
Is it an other Formula Atlantic series car?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 25, 2019, 07:27:46 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 07:21:23 AM
Is it an other Formula Atlantic series car?
No, not raced in any Formula Atlantic series

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79V

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW

Series
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 07:45:17 AM
From what I can see nearly all but one 1979 March models are named? so it is a 79C?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 25, 2019, 07:53:06 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 07:45:17 AM
From what I can see nearly all but one 1979 March models are named? so it is a 79C?
No, only one of those made (and never raced). I considered using the 79C, but I couldn't find a good photo. The puzzle car is rare, but not quite as rare as the 79C. There are still two '79 chassis that haven't been mentioned. The puzzle car is one of those two.

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79C
79V

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW

Series
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 08:00:26 AM
79S?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 25, 2019, 08:05:57 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 08:00:26 AM
79S?
Okay, maybe there were three remaining choices? :o (Are there more that I don't know about?)

Sorry, but not 79S.

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79C
79S
79V

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW

Series
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 08:33:03 AM
79SV
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: bsa on October 25, 2019, 10:05:02 AM
Formula 5000 Chevy block?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 25, 2019, 11:16:22 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 08:33:03 AM
79SV
No

Quote from: bsa on October 25, 2019, 10:05:02 AM
Formula 5000 Chevy block?
No

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79C
79S
79V
79SV

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW
Formula 5000 Chevy

Series
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: shamrock on October 25, 2019, 02:47:43 PM
Is a car built by John Travis in the UK , he built single seater and sports cars using March bodywork
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 25, 2019, 03:54:11 PM
Quote from: shamrock on October 25, 2019, 02:47:43 PM
Is a car built by John Travis in the UK , he built single seater and sports cars using March bodywork
Not that. (This is on a March chassis, by the way.)

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79C
79S
79V
79SV
single seater sports car built by John Travis in the UK using March bodywork

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW
Formula 5000 Chevy

Series
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Maits on October 27, 2019, 03:42:58 AM
Maybe it is 79A, since Cosworth (Ford) is already mentioned, then I will go for a BMW engine.
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 27, 2019, 04:44:18 AM
Quote from: Maits on October 27, 2019, 03:42:58 AM
Maybe it is 79A, since Cosworth (Ford) is already mentioned, then I will go for a BMW engine.
Welcome to AP!

According to my source, this is a 79A chassis, but the engine is neither Ford/Cosworth nor BMW. Locked for you to identify the engine.
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Maits on October 27, 2019, 08:54:18 AM
Quote
Welcome to AP!
Thank you!
It must be Mazda 12A engine then.
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 27, 2019, 11:11:04 AM
Quote from: Maits on October 27, 2019, 08:54:18 AM
Quote
Welcome to AP!
Thank you!
It must be Mazda 12A engine then.
It is not!
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Maits on October 27, 2019, 01:03:58 PM
I am out of ideas. Fiat engines were used in these years as well. Fiat maybe?  :)
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 27, 2019, 02:21:23 PM
Quote from: Maits on October 27, 2019, 01:03:58 PM
I am out of ideas. Fiat engines were used in these years as well. Fiat maybe?  :)
Not Fiat. Still locked for one more try.
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 28, 2019, 02:50:33 AM
Good morning,

A March 79A is basically a Formula Atlantic according to my info...... As you stated it was not a Formula Atlantic, I did not mention the 79A.
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 28, 2019, 03:15:18 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 28, 2019, 02:50:33 AM
Good morning,

A March 79A is basically a Formula Atlantic according to my info...... As you stated it was not a Formula Atlantic, I did not mention the 79A.

Being so similar, the various March chassis types for 1979 were raced across multiple series (and some were not raced at all). This puzzle would be a mess if we started confusing chassis type with race series, so I have consistently broken the responses down by year, chassis builder, chassis type, engine and series. Accordingly, I responded to your earlier 'series' question by stating that the puzzle vehicle had not raced in any Formula Atlantic series, followed by an updated breakdown of eliminated options (again, broken down by year, chassis builder, chassis type, engine and series). My only update to the breakdown was elimination of the Formula Atlantic series; no additional chassis type was eliminated based on your question. Here is that exchange again:

Quote from: gte4289 on October 25, 2019, 07:27:46 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 07:21:23 AM
Is it an other Formula Atlantic series car?
No, not raced in any Formula Atlantic series

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79V

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW

Series
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 28, 2019, 03:20:27 AM
OK, point taken, but it was also playing with words, it did not race in any Formula Atlantic series, but it is a Formula Atlantic car type....
Still locked for the time being?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 28, 2019, 03:49:20 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 28, 2019, 03:20:27 AM
OK, point taken, but it was also playing with words, it did not race in any Formula Atlantic series, but it is a Formula Atlantic car type....
Still locked for the time being?
I'm sorry that you feel that way, but I was not playing with words at all. You asked if the puzzle car was a "Formula Atlantic series car." It was not. While I could have simply responded "No" and been done with it, I made a conscious effort to include additional information in order to avoid ambiguity. I honestly cannot think of a better response to that question.
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 28, 2019, 03:55:04 AM
Maits gets one more attempt at identifying the engine before I unlock the thread. Here's an update in the meantime:

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
79A

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW
BMW
Mazda
FIAT

Series
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3

It is not necessary to identify a racing series. All that is needed to solve the puzzle now is the identity of the engine.
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Maits on October 28, 2019, 04:47:06 AM
I will say it used a Hart engine, because I have run out of ideas right now. All the engines I know for chassis 79A have been mentioned already.
You have missed Chevrolet in your latest list. It has been mentioned also.
If itīs wrong, you can unlock and somebody can try...
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 28, 2019, 04:58:29 AM
Quote from: Maits on October 28, 2019, 04:47:06 AM
I will say it used a Hart engine, because I have run out of ideas right now. All the engines I know for chassis 79A have been mentioned already.
You have missed Chevrolet in your latest list. It has been mentioned also.
If itīs wrong, you can unlock and somebody can try...

It is not Hart, so the thread is now unlocked.


Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
79A

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW
Formula 5000 Chevy
BMW
Mazda
FIAT
Hart

Series*
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3

*It is not necessary to identify a racing series. All that is needed to solve the puzzle now is the identity of the engine.
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 28, 2019, 08:12:59 AM
According to the info I have, March built four ground effect Atlantics at the start of 1979 designated 79A. One went to Ian Scheckter; one went to Jeff Wood [spare at Long Beach]; one went to Shierson [spare for Holmes at Long Beach and Westwood]. In reality its a modified 792. Normally it should be equiped with Cosworth BDD 1600 Big Valve engine. 
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 31, 2019, 04:11:39 AM
And?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 31, 2019, 04:40:15 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 31, 2019, 04:11:39 AM
And?
I'm sorry, but I'm not sure which part of that was a question. You stated there were four 79A chassis and then listed where three of them went. Are you asking if this was the fourth 79A chassis? Or are you re-asking the question of whether this car was powered by a  Cosworth engine?

[Edit] I guess I'll just go ahead and answer both of these questions.

1. I cannot say for certain how many 79A chassis were built. According to my source, this car was built on a 79A chassis and was never intended for Formula Atlantic. Of course, I am always willing to accept that a source is wrong. If my source is wrong in this instance, then I believe the only other possibility would be that it was built on a 79B chassis. At this point, I am only looking for someone to identify the engine in order to solve the puzzle, so there's no penalty if you disagree with my source on the chassis type.

2. I am 100% certain about the engine and it was not Cosworth.
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 31, 2019, 04:47:24 AM
As the chassis has been identified, the first part of my message was a statement, and the question is: engine: Cosworth BDD 1600 Big Valve engine?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 31, 2019, 04:51:06 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 31, 2019, 04:47:24 AM
As the chassis has been identified, the first part of my message was a statement, and the question is: engine: Cosworth BDD 1600 Big Valve engine?
As stated earlier, not Cosworth.
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on October 31, 2019, 05:38:37 AM
Cosworth is not in you list, and Coswoth is not Equal to Ford.
Is it with a Triumph engine?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on October 31, 2019, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 31, 2019, 05:38:37 AM
Cosworth is not in you list, and Coswoth is not Equal to Ford.
Is it with a Triumph engine?
Not Cosworth per reply #38, but you're right it was omitted from the list. Not Triumph.
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on November 04, 2019, 02:38:25 AM
Honda engined?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on November 04, 2019, 02:40:27 AM
Quote from: Mogul on November 04, 2019, 02:38:25 AM
Honda engined?
No, but getting closer.
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on November 04, 2019, 02:54:30 AM
Muggen engine?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on November 04, 2019, 02:58:41 AM
Quote from: Mogul on November 04, 2019, 02:54:30 AM
Muggen engine?
No
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Maits on November 04, 2019, 03:44:59 AM
Nissan?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: Mogul on November 04, 2019, 04:02:33 AM
Is it fitted with the Datsun DOHC LZ14?
Title: Re: GTE 189
Post by: gte4289 on November 04, 2019, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: Maits on November 04, 2019, 03:44:59 AM
Nissan?
Quote from: Mogul on November 04, 2019, 04:02:33 AM
Is it fitted with the Datsun DOHC LZ14?
Maits got to Nissan first, with Mogul identifying the specific engine type soon after, so a point to each of you!

Chassis: 1979 March 79A
Engine: Nissan LZ14-4V DOHC
Series: Formula Pacific
Team: Tomei Jidoshi
Venue and Date: 23rd Tokyo Motor Show (29 October 1979)

According to my source, Team Tomei Jidoshi had three Formula Pacific cars at this time:
This show (29 October) took place during the short break between Mine (21 October) and Suzuka (3 November), so it makes sense that the test car would have been displayed as opposed to one of the active team cars.

Again, I am always willing to accept that a source is wrong, and if my source is wrong regarding the chassis type, then I believe the only other possibility is that #23 was built on a 79B chassis. If anyone has proof otherwise, please share!