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Title: Solved: GTE 497 - Sportee Monno prototype by Silver Star Industries
Post by: gte4289 on August 16, 2023, 02:58:46 PM
My apologies for the poor image quality, but this was the only photo of this car that I could find. Please identify this car for a point:
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on August 22, 2023, 12:13:45 PM
Experts?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: Shamrock 2 on August 23, 2023, 04:56:16 PM
Marcardier fournier
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on August 23, 2023, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: Shamrock 2 on August 23, 2023, 04:56:16 PM
Marcardier fournier
No, I would have certainly been able to find more photos if that were the case. :)
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on August 31, 2023, 01:09:08 PM
Now open to Rookies, Experts, and Pros.
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 07, 2023, 12:47:54 PM
Open to all.
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: oko94 on September 07, 2023, 01:12:52 PM
Made in Europe ?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 07, 2023, 01:18:27 PM
Quote from: oko94 on September 07, 2023, 01:12:52 PM
Made in Europe ?
Partly
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: oko94 on September 07, 2023, 02:03:25 PM
European engine ?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 07, 2023, 02:09:45 PM
Quote from: oko94 on September 07, 2023, 02:03:25 PM
European engine ?
Yes
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: oko94 on September 07, 2023, 03:06:05 PM
Chassis and body made in USA ?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 07, 2023, 03:40:09 PM
Quote from: oko94 on September 07, 2023, 03:06:05 PM
Chassis and body made in USA ?
Neither were made in the USA.
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: oko94 on September 07, 2023, 03:55:52 PM
Chassis and body made in South America ?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 07, 2023, 04:00:54 PM
Quote from: oko94 on September 07, 2023, 03:55:52 PM
Chassis and body made in South America ?
Neither were made in South America
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: oko94 on September 07, 2023, 04:02:49 PM
Chassis and body made in Asia ?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 07, 2023, 04:10:57 PM
Quote from: oko94 on September 07, 2023, 04:02:49 PM
Chassis and body made in Asia ?
Neither were made in Asia.
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: oko94 on September 07, 2023, 04:13:35 PM
Chassis and body made in Canada ?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 07, 2023, 04:19:17 PM
Quote from: oko94 on September 07, 2023, 04:13:35 PM
Chassis and body made in Canada ?
Body made in Canada, but not chassis.
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: fromwien on September 07, 2023, 04:28:48 PM
Renault drivetrain?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 07, 2023, 04:29:26 PM
Quote from: fromwien on September 07, 2023, 04:28:48 PM
Renault drivetrain?
No
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: oko94 on September 07, 2023, 04:32:24 PM
British chassis and engine ?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 07, 2023, 04:54:57 PM
Quote from: oko94 on September 07, 2023, 04:32:24 PM
British chassis and engine ?
No
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: fromwien on September 07, 2023, 05:22:07 PM
Fiat?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 07, 2023, 06:39:33 PM
Quote from: fromwien on September 07, 2023, 05:22:07 PM
Fiat?
No
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 08, 2023, 02:43:12 AM
1966 Macaro II VW Ed Makarenko?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 08, 2023, 03:27:36 AM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on September 08, 2023, 02:43:12 AM
1966 Macaro II VW Ed Makarenko?
Not that
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: oko94 on September 08, 2023, 03:29:23 AM
Italian chassis and engine ?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 08, 2023, 03:30:06 AM
Quote from: oko94 on September 08, 2023, 03:29:23 AM
Italian chassis and engine ?
No
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: oko94 on September 08, 2023, 03:30:54 AM
German chassis and engine ?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 08, 2023, 03:54:13 AM
Quote from: oko94 on September 08, 2023, 03:30:54 AM
German chassis and engine ?
Yes
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: oko94 on September 08, 2023, 03:55:34 AM
VW chassis and engine ?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 08, 2023, 07:27:22 AM
Quote from: oko94 on September 08, 2023, 03:55:34 AM
VW chassis and engine ?
Yes
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: oko94 on September 08, 2023, 09:42:48 AM
Built between 1963 and 1968 ?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 08, 2023, 12:01:51 PM
Quote from: oko94 on September 08, 2023, 09:42:48 AM
Built between 1963 and 1968 ?
Yes
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: oko94 on September 08, 2023, 12:03:47 PM
Natmobile ?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 08, 2023, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: oko94 on September 08, 2023, 12:03:47 PM
Natmobile ?
No
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: pnegyesi on September 08, 2023, 02:10:33 PM
used in a Canadian racing series?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 08, 2023, 02:13:30 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on September 08, 2023, 02:10:33 PM
used in a Canadian racing series?
Not that I'm aware.
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: oko94 on September 08, 2023, 02:52:57 PM
Did it compete in a non-Canadian series ?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 08, 2023, 03:16:18 PM
Quote from: oko94 on September 08, 2023, 02:52:57 PM
Did it compete in a non-Canadian series ?
I'm not aware of any specific racing history.
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: pnegyesi on September 08, 2023, 04:17:02 PM
was it offered for sale as a custom sportscar?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 08, 2023, 04:43:57 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on September 08, 2023, 04:17:02 PM
was it offered for sale as a custom sportscar?
I'm not entirely certain what you mean by "custom sportscar." It was offered for sale, but not as a custom sportscar based on my understanding of the term.
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: pnegyesi on September 08, 2023, 05:08:31 PM
was it built in Ottawa?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: fromwien on September 08, 2023, 06:39:47 PM
Viking?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 08, 2023, 06:45:52 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on September 08, 2023, 05:08:31 PM
was it built in Ottawa?
No

Quote from: fromwien on September 08, 2023, 06:39:47 PM
Viking?
No
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 08, 2023, 07:59:39 PM
I've found additional information on this car (as well as a better photograph). Here are a couple of corrections/additions to my previous responses:

Quote from: oko94 on September 08, 2023, 03:55:34 AM
VW chassis and engine ?
VW engine, transmission, and other components were used, but the frame was made in Canada specifically for this car.

Quote from: gte4289 on September 08, 2023, 03:16:18 PM
Quote from: oko94 on September 08, 2023, 02:52:57 PM
Did it compete in a non-Canadian series ?
I'm not aware of any specific racing history.
The additional photograph I've found was clearly taken at a motorsports event, but I haven't yet determined where and/or at which event the photo was taken.





Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 08, 2023, 08:54:14 PM
Since the puzzle image is so terrible, here's the additional photo I've found (with identifying marks and decals removed):
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: pnegyesi on September 14, 2023, 06:33:38 AM
I am very curious about this. Was this the only car built by its builder?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 14, 2023, 10:12:48 AM
Quote from: pnegyesi on September 14, 2023, 06:33:38 AM
I am very curious about this. Was this the only car built by its builder?
No
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: pnegyesi on September 14, 2023, 12:27:28 PM
was this built by a company?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 14, 2023, 01:18:45 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on September 14, 2023, 12:27:28 PM
was this built by a company?
Yes
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 15, 2023, 02:50:51 AM
1966-1967?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 15, 2023, 02:59:39 AM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on September 15, 2023, 02:50:51 AM
1966-1967?
A little earlier than that.
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 15, 2023, 04:45:26 AM
Herman Quindt?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 15, 2023, 09:01:16 AM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on September 15, 2023, 04:45:26 AM
Herman Quindt?
No
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 15, 2023, 11:23:00 AM
Hans Krusemer?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 15, 2023, 11:47:24 AM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on September 15, 2023, 11:23:00 AM
Hans Krusemer?
No
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 15, 2023, 01:15:01 PM
Lynden Gilker?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 15, 2023, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on September 15, 2023, 01:15:01 PM
Lynden Gilker?
No

Remember, this car was built by a company, not an individual. As far as drivers, I have no confirmed information on who raced the car or even where. As you might imagine, there are several "VW specials" listed in CASC records from the period, but I haven't been able to confidently connect any of those to this car.
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 15, 2023, 02:10:31 PM
Could it be at Canadian Motorsport Historical Society?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: pnegyesi on September 15, 2023, 02:14:47 PM
was the other car a sports car too?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 15, 2023, 02:50:18 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on September 15, 2023, 02:14:47 PM
was the other car a sports car too?
Yes
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 15, 2023, 02:53:30 PM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on September 15, 2023, 02:10:31 PM
Could it be at Canadian Motorsport Historical Society?
Thanks for that! I now have one record of this car competing in a Canadian race.

Edit: I've now found a second record (from a different source) of the car competing in a Canadian race. Same year, same driver, different venue.
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: oko94 on September 15, 2023, 04:35:16 PM
Mono ?
Title: Re: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 15, 2023, 04:38:30 PM
Quote from: oko94 on September 15, 2023, 04:35:16 PM
Mono ?
I think you've found it. LOCKED for you to fill in the details (builder, as well as complete make and model names).
Title: Re: LOCKED: GTE 497
Post by: oko94 on September 15, 2023, 04:59:39 PM
Sportee Monno built by Silver Star Industries, raced by Robert Hedrich in 1965 ?
Title: Re: LOCKED: GTE 497
Post by: gte4289 on September 15, 2023, 05:20:02 PM
Quote from: oko94 on September 15, 2023, 04:59:39 PM
Sportee Monno built by Silver Star Industries, raced by Robert Hedrich in 1965 ?
Well found!

I began this puzzle based on the article below, believing this to be another VW-based kit car by Silver Star Industries, the company responsible for the Sportee Monno GT.

As things progressed, I learned that: 1) all of Silver Star's cars were branded Sportee; 2) this was the first Sportee to use the model name Monno; 3) this was a one-off prototype (built by Silver Star on a tubular frame) that was never offered for sale as a kit; and 4) it was raced in 1965 by the owners of Silver Star (brothers Tom, Robert, and John Hedrich).
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 497 - Sportee Monno prototype by Silver Star Industries
Post by: pnegyesi on September 15, 2023, 11:13:11 PM
very nice, thanks for posting and congratulations to oko for finding it
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 497 - Sportee Monno prototype by Silver Star Industries
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 16, 2023, 03:08:09 AM
 :applause:
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 497 - Sportee Monno prototype by Silver Star Industries
Post by: fromwien on September 16, 2023, 04:18:45 AM
Excellent puzzle, congratulations to "oko"