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Title: Solved - NEH 5559: BMW City (E5) - 1967
Post by: Carnut on June 06, 2020, 07:05:35 AM: What's this, by whom, from when - for 1 point?

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Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on June 20, 2020, 08:44:50 AM: Experts?
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Post by: fromwien on June 20, 2020, 12:05:50 PM: Glas/BMW touring?
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on June 20, 2020, 04:37:59 PM: It is a Glas, yes, and the BMW Touring was developed from it, so you're at least half way there.
But I still need answers to the other questions: what was it called, who was it by and from when does it date?
Locked for you.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on June 20, 2020, 05:13:04 PM: Glas X2L Frua 1964/65
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Post by: Carnut on June 21, 2020, 07:28:41 AM: No. You might be thinking of this Glas prototype:

https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2012-41/solved-neh-2248-frua-glas-10041704-x2l-prototype-1965/msg242593/#msg242593
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on June 21, 2020, 09:30:48 AM: 1971 Glas/BMW Studio for a "Touring"-version, based on a BMW 1600
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on June 21, 2020, 09:48:15 AM: Sorry, more Internet misinformation!

It's based on a Glas (which one?) but was known as a BMW..
Year is quite a long way out.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on June 21, 2020, 09:56:20 AM: On the way, to solve this puzzle, you have sent me a link to an older solved puzzle,...
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2012-41/solved-neh-2248-frua-glas-10041704-x2l-prototype-1965/msg242593/#msg242593,...

... where the car on the picture has been identified as the "Frua Glas 1004/1704 X2L prototype - 1965"

I fear, that's totally wrong.
Here within, I send you a picture of a drawing, made in Frua-Studios, which shows a 3-door-berlina, named X2L, based on a Glas 1004.
The former 4-door puzzle-car isn't a "Frua Glas 1004/1704 X2L prototype - 1965", but "Frua Glas 1004/1704 Limousine II – Project X3L from 1964":
Comment 328: Stefan Dierkes, Uwe Gusen, Matthias Herrmann & Andreas Schey
(to check on pietro-frua.de-website:
"Four-door small car based on the Glas GT with an longer wheelbase (extended by 8 cm); Planned for 1968-production with engines from 1.0 to 1.7 liters displacement as a successor to the Glas 1004–1304 (Rosellen 1985: p. 110).
Designation by Terasa (1984c) and later authors (Kraxenberger & Mader 2003, Gusen 2012) incorrectly X2L; This is how Pietro Frua called his stylistically related 2-door design."
See attachment
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on June 21, 2020, 10:03:38 AM: No internet informations, all out of very confident car literature ("Libreria Automotoclub Storico Italiano, Torino" !!!)
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on June 21, 2020, 10:15:20 AM: You are correct about my earlier puzzle.
It may well have been sourced from incorrect web-based information at the time and the correct information might not have been available anywhere. New info is being added all the time of course.
The 2-door X2L never actually progressed beyond renderings.
I'll change the title of my earlier puzzle; thanks.
Back to the new puzzle then....
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on June 21, 2020, 10:18:24 AM: Quote from: fromwien on June 21, 2020, 10:03:38 AM
No internet informations, all out of very confident car literature ("Libreria Automotoclub Storico Italiano, Torino" !!!)

Wherever it came from it doesn't appear to be correct..
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on June 21, 2020, 10:36:54 AM: I have sent you my infos to your puzzle previously:
Frua drew a 2-door hatchback-version (X2L) for Glas, based on a Glas 1004, in 1965. Two years later (Glas has been sold to BMW), Hans Werner Bönsch remembered about these drawings, and developed (together with Wilfried Ball) a hatchback-two-door-limousine, based on the X2L-drawings of Frua.

The base was still the Glas 1004 (you see the 5 wheel nuts, instead of 4 on the BMWs). At first, they planned to use the 60-HP-Glas-engine of the Glas1304, later they chose BMW M10, out of the 1600-2.

Conclusio: Glas (base 1004)/BMW (engine) with Frua-based-bodywork, restyled by Bönsch and Ball

BMW 1600 Studio 1971
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on June 21, 2020, 01:05:43 PM: BMW1600 Studio 1971 is not the right answer, as already said.

One more attempt before I unlock the puzzle.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on June 21, 2020, 02:20:59 PM: Glas 1600 Touring
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on June 21, 2020, 03:05:50 PM: Quote from: fromwien on June 21, 2020, 02:20:59 PM
Glas 1600 Touring

No, none of those words are part of its name!
Open to all Rookies and Experts.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on June 29, 2020, 06:13:40 AM: BMW 1604?
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on June 29, 2020, 06:19:48 AM: No, but it does have a BMW moniker.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on June 29, 2020, 06:29:53 AM: BMW 1600-3?
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Post by: Carnut on June 29, 2020, 06:41:36 AM: No..
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Post by: fromwien on June 30, 2020, 02:31:18 AM: BMW 1603 ?
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on June 30, 2020, 03:49:38 AM: No!
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Post by: fromwien on July 03, 2020, 03:17:55 AM: BMW 1604 ti ?
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Post by: Carnut on July 03, 2020, 03:47:53 AM: No; it doesn't have any BMW or Glas numbers in it like 1600 or 1704.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 03, 2020, 04:14:59 AM: Something with "...Klasse"?
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Post by: Carnut on July 03, 2020, 05:14:05 AM: No..
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 06, 2020, 10:15:11 AM: "BMW" and "CL" in the name?
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 06, 2020, 11:20:42 AM: BMW is, but not CL.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: D-type on July 06, 2020, 04:35:08 PM: Is it as simple as BMW Coupe?
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 06, 2020, 05:32:10 PM: I'm afraid not!
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 14, 2020, 03:54:25 AM: BMW Kombilimousine
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 14, 2020, 04:03:10 AM: Sorry, no, that's not it.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 14, 2020, 04:34:59 AM: Is it "E??" numbered?
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Post by: Carnut on July 14, 2020, 06:00:26 AM: Yes..
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 14, 2020, 07:51:12 AM: BMW E6 Prototyp
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 14, 2020, 07:57:34 AM: Not E6 but close.
It also has a name.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 14, 2020, 11:15:45 AM: BMW E5 touring
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Post by: Carnut on July 14, 2020, 12:59:19 PM: E5 is correct but 'Touring' is not part of its name.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 14, 2020, 02:19:15 PM: BMW E5 Coupé
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Post by: Carnut on July 14, 2020, 02:54:18 PM: No..
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: D-type on July 15, 2020, 05:26:41 AM: BMW E5 2-door ?
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 15, 2020, 06:35:47 AM: No, it is a name rather than just a description.
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Post by: fromwien on July 15, 2020, 09:24:21 AM: BMW E5 Bavaria?
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Post by: Carnut on July 15, 2020, 09:59:38 AM: Not Bavaria..
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Post by: fromwien on July 15, 2020, 04:26:22 PM: BMW E5 Berlina
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Post by: Carnut on July 15, 2020, 05:30:58 PM: Not Berlina..
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Post by: fromwien on July 16, 2020, 01:47:55 AM: BMW E5 Schrägheck
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 16, 2020, 04:35:50 AM: No!
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Post by: fromwien on July 17, 2020, 02:37:35 AM: BMW E5 Isar
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 17, 2020, 05:50:38 AM: No, not Isar.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 17, 2020, 09:57:43 AM: BMW E5 Dingolfing
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 17, 2020, 03:45:36 PM: Not that..
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Post by: fromwien on July 17, 2020, 04:20:23 PM: BMW E5 Kombicoupe
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 18, 2020, 04:09:44 AM: No.
A I said in my Reply #41 it is an actual name rather than a description of the kind of body-style it is.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 18, 2020, 12:18:04 PM: BMW E5 Compact
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Post by: D-type on July 18, 2020, 01:08:32 PM: :scratch: BMW E5 Italia ?
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 18, 2020, 03:00:54 PM: Neither Compact nor Italia..
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 18, 2020, 04:06:32 PM: BMW E5 Gran Tourismo
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Post by: Carnut on July 18, 2020, 05:45:02 PM: No, it's just a single word.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: D-type on July 18, 2020, 05:59:27 PM: Is it a German word?
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 18, 2020, 06:00:11 PM: BMW E5 Tourisme
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 19, 2020, 04:10:09 AM: Quote from: D-type on July 18, 2020, 05:59:27 PM
Is it a German word?

No!

Quote from: fromwien on July 18, 2020, 06:00:11 PM
BMW E5 Tourisme

No; we've had 'Touring' before (twice I think!) but it's nothing to do with touring or similar words.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 19, 2020, 06:46:29 AM: BMW E5 Alpina
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Post by: Carnut on July 19, 2020, 07:27:46 AM: Not Alpina.
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Post by: fromwien on July 19, 2020, 10:05:48 AM: BMW E5 Voyage
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Post by: Carnut on July 19, 2020, 11:15:54 AM: No..
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 19, 2020, 11:55:43 AM: Italian name? BMW E5 Venezia?
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 19, 2020, 12:05:56 PM: No, it's not an Italian name, ergo not 'Venezia'.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 19, 2020, 12:49:51 PM: BMW E5 Universal?
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Post by: Carnut on July 19, 2020, 03:06:22 PM: No.
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Post by: fromwien on July 19, 2020, 05:06:16 PM: BMW E5 Familiale
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 19, 2020, 05:51:22 PM: Don't forget you can only ask one question at a time so you have to wait for an answer to it before you can ask another; I have therefore deleted your other question.

But I'm afraid the answer to Familiale is No.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 19, 2020, 07:59:42 PM: BMW E5 Caravan?
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Post by: Carnut on July 20, 2020, 03:47:45 AM: No.
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Post by: mekubb on July 20, 2020, 06:18:53 AM: Not a German or Italian name, may be English ?
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 20, 2020, 08:29:37 AM: It is an English word, though I think it's used in other languages too..
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Post by: fromwien on July 20, 2020, 10:03:54 AM: BMW E5 Estate
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 20, 2020, 10:40:21 AM: Quote from: Carnut on July 18, 2020, 04:09:44 AM
No.
A I said in my Reply #41 it is an actual name rather than a description of the kind of body-style it is.

No. Ditto the above!
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: mekubb on July 20, 2020, 04:30:34 PM: Is it a word related to cars at all ?
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 20, 2020, 05:34:42 PM: No.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 20, 2020, 06:14:28 PM: BMW E5 Countryman
(P.S.: Estate isn't only car related....)
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 21, 2020, 04:09:01 AM: Not Countryman.
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Post by: fromwien on July 21, 2020, 02:23:12 PM: BMW E5 Shopping?
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Post by: Carnut on July 21, 2020, 03:02:19 PM: Not 'Shopping'!
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Post by: fromwien on July 21, 2020, 03:54:03 PM: BMW E5 Shopper
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Post by: Carnut on July 21, 2020, 05:54:15 PM: Not Shopper..
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Post by: fromwien on July 21, 2020, 06:13:34 PM: BMW E5 Family
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Post by: Carnut on July 22, 2020, 03:57:47 AM: Not Family!
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Post by: fromwien on July 22, 2020, 07:24:03 AM: BMW E5 Weekend
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Post by: Carnut on July 22, 2020, 11:36:13 AM: Not Weekend..
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Post by: gilescooperuk on July 22, 2020, 12:24:03 PM: This is going to end up as a game of hangman!

A different question how many letters in the name?
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Wendax on July 22, 2020, 01:07:45 PM: Quote from: gilescooperuk on July 22, 2020, 12:24:03 PM
This is going to end up as a game of hangman!
:shakehead: I know a book with the solution! ;D
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 22, 2020, 01:24:50 PM: I would rather it wasn't just a pure guessing game; I infinitely prefer puzzles here to be solved using relevant car-based questions.
The answer is out there just by looking in the right place and there are plenty of questions which could be asked which would lead to the solution too.
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: fromwien on July 22, 2020, 04:26:52 PM: You see, as stupid, simple minded people can be....
I remember the question, "Is it a word related to cars at all ?" The answer was, "No". And, "It is an English word..."
To be honest, my stated names, were "English" and names used with car makes... Not, like "Strawberry"

Was the name only one time used with BMW?
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 22, 2020, 05:37:18 PM: I don't think its ever been used by BMW before or since..
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Post by: fromwien on July 22, 2020, 05:41:52 PM: Geographical word?
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Post by: Carnut on July 23, 2020, 04:04:39 AM: Not a specific one, but it does refer to a geographical entity of which there are very many.
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Post by: fromwien on July 23, 2020, 04:27:14 AM: Doesit refer to a European landscape?
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Post by: gilescooperuk on July 23, 2020, 04:37:26 AM: River?
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Post by: mekubb on July 23, 2020, 07:06:12 AM: BMW E5 City ?
Title: Re: NEH 5559
Post by: Carnut on July 23, 2020, 07:23:57 AM: Quote from: mekubb on July 23, 2020, 07:06:12 AM
BMW E5 City ?

Bingo!
This is the right answer!
Back luck fromwien but well done Mekubb.
Apparently it was Commission no. 347, but I haven't been able to find another picture of it.
Here it is with its BMW grille:
Title: Re: Solved - NEH 5559: BMW City (E5) - 1967
Post by: Wendax on July 23, 2020, 09:04:57 AM: A colour picture from the other side:
Title: Re: Solved - NEH 5559: BMW City (E5) - 1967
Post by: Carnut on July 23, 2020, 09:39:07 AM: Thanks.
Clearly taken at the same time.
Do you know if it has survived?
Title: Re: Solved - NEH 5559: BMW City (E5) - 1967
Post by: Wendax on July 23, 2020, 09:55:21 AM: Never seen any trace of it, probably destroyed when the decision came that the Glas developments won't have a BMW future.
Title: Re: Solved - NEH 5559: BMW City (E5) - 1967
Post by: Carnut on July 23, 2020, 09:57:15 AM: Thought so.
They did pinch the idea though!