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Title: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on December 09, 2018, 06:40:17 AM
Please ID chassis, coachbuilder and year for a point
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on December 16, 2018, 08:15:59 AM
Experts?
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Post by: tobytwirl on December 16, 2018, 08:23:31 PM
Mercedes chassis?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on December 16, 2018, 11:34:17 PM
no
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Post by: norberthanke on December 17, 2018, 06:15:47 AM
Spohn
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on December 17, 2018, 06:32:01 AM
no
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Post by: tobytwirl on December 17, 2018, 07:46:54 AM
pre-war chassis?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on December 17, 2018, 12:18:16 PM
yes
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: neilshouse on December 17, 2018, 12:40:07 PM
A Horch maybe?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on December 17, 2018, 03:30:55 PM
no
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Post by: norberthanke on December 17, 2018, 04:56:34 PM
upper is pure Borgward 1800, hte modell before the Isabella - my first vintage car!
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on December 18, 2018, 12:05:42 AM
sorry, but this has got nothing to do with Borgward
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: targhediferro on December 18, 2018, 05:28:07 AM
Fiat 508 C based?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: richard cuyler on December 18, 2018, 11:16:42 AM
Is it German?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on December 18, 2018, 12:47:01 PM
it is entirely German. Not based on a Fiat 508
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: tobytwirl on December 21, 2018, 03:28:31 PM
Is the base from the Auto Union group - Audi or Wanderer?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on December 21, 2018, 08:40:11 PM
So far so good, it was based on a Wanderer
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: gte4289 on December 21, 2018, 10:10:39 PM
Any connection to Gottlob Espenlaub?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on December 23, 2018, 11:03:25 AM
nothing
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: tobytwirl on December 23, 2018, 11:20:55 AM
This bodywork is presumably the work of a small coachbuilder or even an amateur, because it undoubtably incorporates the cabin of a Borgward Hansa 1500, and even the bonnet, which characteristically never seemed to be closed properly on the Borgwards. There were always 2 little somethings on each side which were visible in the gap - and sure enough there is one of them visible on the puzzle car. The front and external trim are of course not from a Borgward, and the bonnet has been cut down at the front. So I am thinking it was built around 1953 but once Spohn has gone, I had no idea who did it - Rappold?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on December 23, 2018, 11:40:25 AM
Nice assumption. The car was built in 1951. The builder was claimed to be a Karosseriebaumeister, but I don't have too much info on him
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: tobytwirl on December 26, 2018, 08:27:49 AM
Is it definitely on the 'net somewhere?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on December 26, 2018, 10:07:25 AM
To be completely honest, I did not find anything on him yet
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: tobytwirl on December 28, 2018, 06:07:10 PM
So is the photo of the car on internet?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on December 29, 2018, 01:21:48 AM
no
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Post by: richard cuyler on December 30, 2018, 12:05:00 PM
Interesting that it has a Paris registration and that there's what seems to be a Peugeot 403 in the background. Any French input at all?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on December 30, 2018, 12:21:30 PM
none
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on December 30, 2018, 12:22:44 PM
Professionals?
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Post by: targhediferro on January 03, 2019, 09:07:30 AM
Any connection with Karosseriebaumeisterschule Kaiserslautern?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on January 03, 2019, 12:33:19 PM
It seems none
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on June 17, 2019, 10:35:47 PM
Black Hole
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: gte4289 on February 17, 2020, 10:50:05 PM
Was this one done by Fritz Tröller?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on February 18, 2020, 07:10:22 AM
no
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Post by: gte4289 on February 19, 2020, 01:36:59 PM
Was the coachbuilder located in the vicinity of Munich?
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Post by: pnegyesi on February 19, 2020, 08:44:26 PM
roughly 280 km from Munich
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Post by: gte4289 on February 19, 2020, 09:00:49 PM
Quote from: pnegyesi on February 19, 2020, 08:44:26 PM
roughly 280 km from Munich
Würzburg?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on February 20, 2020, 04:18:04 AM
yes
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: Roman1986 on April 18, 2020, 05:01:56 PM
Karosseriefabrik Voll?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: gte4289 on April 18, 2020, 05:15:42 PM
Grimm?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on April 18, 2020, 09:55:20 PM
neither, nor
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: gte4289 on May 15, 2025, 06:03:03 PM
Heinrich Grebert/Gebert?
Title: Re: PN #1193
Post by: pnegyesi on May 16, 2025, 01:28:04 AM
Thanks for reviving another old puzzle. I am happy to report that it is now possible to solve this puzzle with the information provided - you just need to know where to look. It's not Grebert/Gebert though