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Title: SOLVED: si_124 - Krupp - Titan-"Kaffemühle"-"coffee grinder"
Post by: sichel on October 28, 2021, 10:18:39 AM
For one point I would like to know the following: What is operated with this lever? How does this system work? Where was it installed? There is an alternative name, what is it?
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Post by: sichel on November 03, 2021, 03:41:55 PM
Is it a question for experts?
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Post by: gilescooperuk on November 03, 2021, 03:48:59 PM
Pressure regulator?
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Post by: sichel on November 03, 2021, 04:10:17 PM
Please describe more precisely what you mean.
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Post by: richard fridd on November 03, 2021, 05:09:35 PM
Vacuum gauge?
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Post by: sichel on November 03, 2021, 05:47:52 PM
No vacuum gauge.
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Post by: gilescooperuk on November 03, 2021, 06:10:16 PM
Well the lever looks like it is controlling a valve and the scale suggests there is a low normal high section.

The regulator looks more like something for hydraulic pressure or steam.
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Post by: sichel on November 03, 2021, 06:19:14 PM
Yes, there is a "low", a "middle" and a "high" section. But neither hydraulic pressure nor steam.
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Post by: gilescooperuk on November 03, 2021, 06:21:34 PM
Is it a pump of some type?
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Post by: sichel on November 03, 2021, 06:29:34 PM
No kind of pump.
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Post by: richard fridd on November 04, 2021, 03:36:52 AM
Bias valve?
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Post by: sichel on November 04, 2021, 04:41:37 AM
No spring or anything similar is pre-tensioned. Where are bias valves used in vehicles?
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Post by: gilescooperuk on November 04, 2021, 05:22:51 AM
Bias valves are used in the brakes otherwise the back gets more braking power and makes it hard to control, race cars have adjustable bias valves to account for different circuits and fuel loads (less fuel changes the cars balance)

Back on the questions is this a speed regulator?
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Post by: sichel on November 04, 2021, 05:39:55 AM
According to your description, this should be the "Bremskraftverstärker" in German.

In the very broadest sense it is an speed regulator...
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Post by: richard fridd on November 04, 2021, 06:28:54 AM
Friction regulator?
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Post by: sichel on November 04, 2021, 07:55:53 AM
No, but if you use the system too much, you can you can get problems with the friction...
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Post by: richard fridd on November 04, 2021, 09:40:02 AM
Clutch?
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Post by: sichel on November 04, 2021, 10:45:23 AM
No connection with the clutch. Brake, or deceleration, is the right direction.
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Post by: richard fridd on November 04, 2021, 11:26:28 AM
Is it to measure deceleration?
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Post by: sichel on November 04, 2021, 11:41:22 AM
No measurement.
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Post by: richard fridd on November 05, 2021, 03:15:41 AM
Commercial vehicle?
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Post by: sichel on November 05, 2021, 04:19:10 AM
Yes.
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Post by: richard fridd on November 05, 2021, 02:03:58 PM
Pneumatic system?
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Post by: sichel on November 05, 2021, 04:49:47 PM
No.
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Post by: D-type on November 05, 2021, 07:00:55 PM
Gauge and lever for the operation of air powered brakes?
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Post by: sichel on November 05, 2021, 07:53:29 PM
It is a brake, but no aircompressed brake.
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Post by: richard fridd on November 06, 2021, 02:41:15 AM
Mechanical brake?
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Post by: sichel on November 06, 2021, 06:20:01 AM
Mechanical operation of a brake-system. Locked for you to name and describe the system
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Post by: richard fridd on November 06, 2021, 02:24:22 PM
Please unlock.
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Post by: sichel on November 06, 2021, 02:31:38 PM
OK, unlocked.
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Post by: gilescooperuk on November 07, 2021, 05:17:19 AM
Engine braking (I.e. speed limiting) or transmission (I.e. wheel) braking
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Post by: sichel on November 07, 2021, 05:38:56 AM
Engine-brake or speed limiter or retarder or wheel-brakes????
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Post by: gilescooperuk on November 07, 2021, 06:35:23 AM
Engine brake a device to slow down the engine or power plant directly

Wheel brakes slow down machine regardless of the engine speed
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Post by: sichel on November 07, 2021, 06:55:11 AM
Brake systems are well know, but which one will you choose?
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Post by: gilescooperuk on November 07, 2021, 07:23:19 AM
Engine brake a device to slow down the engine or power plant directly
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Post by: sichel on November 07, 2021, 08:51:59 AM
Yes it is a engine brake!! Locked for you to answer the remaining questions:
- Manufactorer
- The function of this system
- and to get a "sichel"-bee: the nickname
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Post by: gilescooperuk on November 08, 2021, 02:02:04 PM
European?
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Post by: sichel on November 08, 2021, 02:08:38 PM
Yes.
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Post by: gilescooperuk on November 08, 2021, 02:09:23 PM
German
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Post by: sichel on November 08, 2021, 02:18:34 PM
Yes!
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Post by: gilescooperuk on November 08, 2021, 02:48:13 PM
Current manufacturer?
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Post by: sichel on November 08, 2021, 02:56:59 PM
No.
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Post by: gilescooperuk on November 08, 2021, 05:57:08 PM
1960s
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Post by: sichel on November 08, 2021, 05:58:59 PM
1950s
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Post by: gilescooperuk on November 10, 2021, 03:54:24 PM
Robur?
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Post by: sichel on November 10, 2021, 04:04:41 PM
No!!
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Post by: richard fridd on November 11, 2021, 02:54:13 AM
A Jacobs brake?
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Post by: sichel on November 11, 2021, 03:21:34 AM
Very, very close.
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Post by: richard fridd on November 11, 2021, 05:01:58 AM
Eaton brake?
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Post by: sichel on November 11, 2021, 06:21:04 AM
No. Jake-brake is close to the function of the puzzle not to the manufacturer factory.
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Post by: sichel on November 11, 2021, 07:42:53 AM
@richard fridd: Sorry, I overlooked that i have locked the puzzle for gilescooperuk.
@gilescooperuk: It is still locked for today.
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Post by: gilescooperuk on November 11, 2021, 03:54:01 PM
You can unlock it
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Post by: sichel on November 11, 2021, 04:35:04 PM
Thank you, unlocked
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Post by: richard fridd on November 13, 2021, 02:13:00 AM
Cummins system?
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Post by: sichel on November 13, 2021, 03:22:20 AM
No.
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Post by: sichel on November 21, 2021, 04:45:56 AM
Now the professionals have to get to work.
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Post by: fromwien on November 21, 2021, 07:37:48 AM
"Kaffeemühle", Krupp Titan compressor-engine-brake for 2-stroke diesel. The crank is used to adjust the camshaft and the opening time of the exhaust valves. Yes: It is a two-stroke engine with exhaust valves!
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Post by: sichel on November 21, 2021, 08:17:03 AM
I could not have described it any better :thumbsup: And again a point for you.
Title: Re: SOLVED: si_124 - Krupp - Titan-"Kaffemühle"-"coffee grinder"
Post by: fromwien on November 21, 2021, 09:14:51 AM
I tried to translate the working principle in (readable?) English:

Compressor – brake:
At the drive gear end of the camshaft, is an engine oil pressure controlled double rotary vane piston located, which turns the camshaft drive gear in its opposite direction.  The camshaft is adjusted, that the control times of the exhaust valves are brought forward. This causes, that the exhaust valves already open, when the pistons approximately reach the top dead center.

Working concept of the Compressor-brake

Going downhill, at first you use the engine as a brake compressor, by turning the injection pump to stop position. So the engine is off, only pushed by the rolling vehice. In this state, the braking effect is relatively small. Additional engine brake power then comes by  using of the camshaft compressor brake, operated by the rotating lever, more or less twisted in relation to its drive gear.
This will open the exhaust valves prematurely. The compressed air flows unused into the exhaust and all the engine’s compression work is lost. An extremely strong braking effect is achieved, by no throttling of the exhaust and this without heat accumulation.
When driving downhill, 2 gears higher could be selected with the compressor brake activated, than without using it.
Title: Re: SOLVED: si_124 - Krupp - Titan-"Kaffemühle"-"coffee grinder"
Post by: fromwien on November 21, 2021, 09:20:22 AM
Again a trial, to explain the working principle of the Krupp 2-stroke diesel engine (Titan: 2x 3-cylinder-2-stroke-diesel):

Krupp 2-stroke diesel with direct current flushing and 2 exhaust valves per cylinder:

As long as the piston moves in the lower area of the cylinder, the piston provides cylinder flushing slots free. With a slight overpressure of 0.55bar, scavenging air flows through the slots from the wash cabinet and pushes -because at this time the exhaust valves are also open - the combustion gases in front of them to the exhaust, while filling the cylinder with fresh air. Shortly after the piston going up by covering the flushing slots again, the exhaust valves close. Fresh air gets compressed. When the piston has almost reached the top dead center, fuel will be injected.  The hot compressed air then burns. The combustion pressure catapults the piston back down. While the piston moves down, the outlet valves open and allow the existing overpressure to flow out. A little later, the piston releases the flushing slots and fresh air flows in through the flushing slots. The same process starts again.
Title: Re: SOLVED: si_124 - Krupp - Titan-"Kaffemühle"-"coffee grinder"
Post by: fromwien on November 21, 2021, 09:27:09 AM
By the way: Thank you very much for the point!
And much more, thank you so much for the puzzle at all!!! It's only possible to find such a puzzle, with very high technical knowledge
Title: Re: SOLVED: si_124 - Krupp - Titan-"Kaffemühle"-"coffee grinder"
Post by: Carnut on November 21, 2021, 11:00:55 AM
Hey, I have one of those trucks Sichel!
Title: Re: SOLVED: si_124 - Krupp - Titan-"Kaffemühle"-"coffee grinder"
Post by: sichel on November 21, 2021, 11:05:30 AM
Very nice! Engine brake is working? The model cars are a great idea!

"Titan" and "Mustang", the little brother
Title: Re: SOLVED: si_124 - Krupp - Titan-"Kaffemühle"-"coffee grinder"
Post by: fromwien on November 21, 2021, 03:13:45 PM
I think, the best available Krupp-Titan-model (1/43 scale) is this one from 'Schuco'! Picture taken in our model car showroom
Title: Re: SOLVED: si_124 - Krupp - Titan-"Kaffemühle"-"coffee grinder"
Post by: sichel on November 21, 2021, 03:31:02 PM
I like my sixty years old Wiking Thermozug very much. But the Siku-Titan looks really great.
Title: Re: SOLVED: si_124 - Krupp - Titan-"Kaffemühle"-"coffee grinder"
Post by: Carnut on November 21, 2021, 03:34:28 PM
Indeed it's very nice.
But the Märklin model was really only intended as a toy, in the days when such die-cast toys were very well detailed and accurate; and they were not particularly expensive.
Nowadays you have to buy a proper 1/43 model to get something accurate and realistic, at a much higher price...
Title: Re: SOLVED: si_124 - Krupp - Titan-"Kaffemühle"-"coffee grinder"
Post by: sichel on November 21, 2021, 04:01:58 PM
Carnut, of corse there are more details in 1/43 models. But there are some models in my collection I have played with as a boy, also some unglazed specimens. So they have a very special meaning for me and and so, over the course of time, a vehicle museum on a scale of 1/87 could be created in a showcase.