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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2024 => Topic started by: sichel on December 18, 2023, 01:43:56 PM
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On what basis was this bus manufactured (manufacturer and type) and who was the coachbuilder?
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Up to the Experts.
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from Eastern Block?
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No, it is from Western Europe.
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Up to the Professionals.
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Mercedes-Benz by Føreland ?
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Neither nor.
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German ?
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Yes.
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Neoplan ?
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No.
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Henschel ?
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No connection with Henschel.
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Krupp ?
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No.
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M.A.N-Büssing ?
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No, unfortunately not either.
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Magirus-Deutz ?
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Yes :thumbsup: Locked for five attempts to answer the whole question.
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I think that it is a bus of the Deutsche Touring. I found a similar body made by Ramseier & Jenzer. Is it the coachbuilder ?
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I've also seen this picture before, but I can't remember where... The puzzle bus was not built for Deutsche Touring and not by Ramseier & Jenzer.
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I'm stuck. Please unlock this puzzle.
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Too bad. The similarity is really striking, but there are differences in the details. It is possible that there was a collaboration between the coachbuilders.
Unlocked
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Edit There was a cooperation between Ramseier & Jenzer and the coachbuilder of the puzzle-bus.
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Is the body German?
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Yes.
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OK. Magirus-Deutz by Vetter Saturn II Deutsche Touring Gmbh.
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Locked again for pguillem, because Vetter is right. Deutsche Touring was not the customer, but that is not the question.
However, the type designation was no longer Saturn II, but??
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Saturn III ?
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I don't even know of a Saturn III. After the Saturn II, Magirus-Deutz switched from planetary names to a combination of numbers and letters. The puzzle bus also lacks the step in the roof.
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I found a Saturn III MS of the Kölner Verkehrs-Betriebe AG, built in 1964.
Is 70_3 (230 T 117) the combination you look for ?
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Close up: The Puzzle bus was not intended for the Cologne transport company. 70_3 doesn't mean anything to me, but your example for the type designation is correct in principle. With the Puzzle bus, however: less power, different type of use, different length designation. Still blocked.
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Sorry, I can't find the bustyp. Please open it again.
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Too bad :( Unlocked
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All I know about the puzzle bus.
1. A similar bus was used by the Deutsche Touring for the liaison Munich-Teheran-Munich. It was a Magirus-Deutz Saturn II L delivered in 1965 to TBT. Co./Iran
2. A similar bus was also in use by the Würzburger Straßenbahn (Wagen 62). I don't know the Bus typ.
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Yes, it's the "Würzburger Straßenbahn" car. Good luck finding the type designation. Maybe take another guess after looking at #31.
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Yes, it's the "Würzburger Straßenbahn" car. Good luck finding the type designation. Maybe take another guess after looking at #31.
My informer from Würzburg tells me that this company operated only the Saturn II and III plus the VöV Version. The only VöV I could find is this 150 S11 from 1967. Could it be this one ?
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In 1964, Magirus changed the type designations of the buses from planetary names to a combination of numbers and letters: three-digit number for the power in horsepower / letter for use as a city bus, intercity bus or coach / two-digit number for the length in metres. The puzzle bus dates from this period.
I think it is very likely that the old names were still used in everyday life.
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Anyway, I'm stuck again. Please unlock.
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This puzzle is unlocked.
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Well, I found traces of the Magirus Saturn III. I assume that it was introduced after the model changes in 1963. One is the Cologne Saturn III MS from 1964 (see post #30) and there is also a workshop manual for Saturn I, II and III from 1963, but I only have a type designation for the puzzle bus according to the scheme introduced in 1964. It should therefore have been built between 1964 and 1966. A small step in the roof was introduced in 1966, which it lacks. So this puzzle is still unsolved.
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Up to the Masters.
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150 R 12?
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Yes, it is a Magirus 150 R12, built by Vetter and therefore your next point.
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:applause: