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Title: Wendax 3180
Post by: Wendax on April 08, 2020, 03:04:56 AM
Delivering Easter parcels.

For one point, please respond and identify this vehicle.
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Wendax on April 15, 2020, 01:19:55 AM
up
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Post by: thorax on April 16, 2020, 06:20:46 AM
Mercedes underneath?
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Post by: Wendax on April 16, 2020, 06:31:22 AM
My source doesn't tell, but I think so.
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Post by: Bill d isere on April 16, 2020, 12:18:13 PM
Spier ?
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Post by: Wendax on April 16, 2020, 02:16:42 PM
No
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Post by: Bill d isere on April 17, 2020, 04:52:43 AM
German ?
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Post by: Wendax on April 17, 2020, 05:04:25 AM
Yes
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Post by: Bill d isere on April 17, 2020, 09:26:58 AM
Ackermann ?
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Post by: Wendax on April 17, 2020, 12:02:38 PM
No
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Post by: Bill d isere on April 17, 2020, 02:18:06 PM
Kogel ?
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Post by: Wendax on April 17, 2020, 02:45:20 PM
No
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Post by: Wendax on May 01, 2020, 03:14:49 AM
up again
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Post by: Djetset on May 01, 2020, 07:17:07 AM
Was it made for the German division of UPS (just as UPS commissions and produces some of its its own purpose-built delivery vehicles in the USA)?
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Post by: Wendax on May 01, 2020, 07:27:24 AM
My source doesn't tell, but it certainly has the UPS looks (except for the colour).
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Post by: gte4289 on May 08, 2020, 07:14:35 AM
Fritsche & Brause/RKB?
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Post by: Wendax on May 08, 2020, 07:21:33 AM
No
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Post by: gte4289 on May 10, 2020, 01:53:25 AM
Currently active coachbuilder?
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Post by: Wendax on May 10, 2020, 03:28:37 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Wendax on June 10, 2020, 01:17:55 AM
up to the highest level
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Post by: oko94 on June 11, 2020, 03:22:18 AM
Was the coachbuilder known for other commercial vehicles ?
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Post by: Wendax on June 11, 2020, 03:36:11 AM
It is the only one I know from this company, but it seems the company was closely related to another company, of which a similar vehicle was puzzled here before.
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: oko94 on June 11, 2020, 03:52:22 AM
Built between 1985 and 1995 ?
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Post by: Wendax on June 11, 2020, 04:41:18 AM
I don't have a year, but I'd say yes.
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: oko94 on June 11, 2020, 04:48:22 AM
Quote from: Wendax on June 11, 2020, 03:36:11 AM
it seems the company was closely related to another company, of which a similar vehicle was puzzled here before.

Was that similar vehicle Mercedes-Benz-based too ?
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Wendax on June 11, 2020, 04:50:45 AM
I don't know.
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Post by: oko94 on June 11, 2020, 04:54:17 AM
Was the "other company" German too ?
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Post by: Wendax on June 11, 2020, 05:39:06 AM
Yes
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Post by: oko94 on June 26, 2020, 07:05:28 AM
Any FFG Flensburger Fahrzeugbau connection ?
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Post by: Wendax on June 26, 2020, 07:34:00 AM
Yes
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Post by: oko94 on June 26, 2020, 07:47:25 AM
Flensburger Koffer ?
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Post by: Wendax on June 26, 2020, 08:36:39 AM
No
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Post by: oko94 on June 26, 2020, 08:49:30 AM
Was the coachbuilder based in Flensburg ?
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Post by: Wendax on June 26, 2020, 09:00:34 AM
No
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Post by: oko94 on June 26, 2020, 09:10:07 AM
Was the coachbuilder based in Eggebek ?
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Post by: Wendax on June 26, 2020, 09:27:54 AM
Not in Schleswig-Holstein at all.
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Post by: Oguerrerob on July 14, 2020, 01:05:35 PM
Is this a Food Truck?
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Post by: Wendax on July 14, 2020, 01:24:47 PM
No
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Post by: Wendax on October 14, 2020, 03:15:43 AM
Delivering black parcels now
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Post by: 727 on December 18, 2020, 11:21:12 AM
Very similar, but not entirely

(https://i.imgur.com/ODCHTFA.jpg)
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Julien1A on March 17, 2021, 09:02:44 AM
Got it as 711TD Donkey Max, but yes by Spier... so as Spier is no, I will say Kässbohrer (P600?)
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Wendax on March 17, 2021, 12:21:36 PM
Not Kässbohrer
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Post by: oko94 on March 17, 2021, 12:36:18 PM
Alucar ?
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Post by: Wendax on March 17, 2021, 12:39:08 PM
No
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Post by: sichel on March 17, 2021, 03:44:36 PM
Bürstner
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Post by: Oguerrerob on March 17, 2021, 03:59:13 PM
Kögel?
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Post by: oko94 on March 17, 2021, 04:33:31 PM
Is the puzzle vehicle actually called Donkey Maxx ?
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Wendax on March 17, 2021, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: sichel on March 17, 2021, 03:44:36 PM
Bürstner
Interesting answer, but this one is not a Bürstner.

Quote from: Oguerrerob on March 17, 2021, 03:59:13 PM
Kögel?
No

Quote from: oko94 on March 17, 2021, 04:33:31 PM
Is the puzzle vehicle actually called Donkey Maxx ?
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: sichel on March 17, 2021, 04:45:51 PM
Thiele
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Post by: Wendax on March 18, 2021, 02:21:00 AM
No
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Post by: Wendax on March 18, 2021, 02:28:25 AM
Quote from: oko94 on March 17, 2021, 12:36:18 PM
Alucar ?
An addition: the makers of the puzzle vehicle and those of the AluCar were economically connected for a while.
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: sichel on March 18, 2021, 02:29:59 AM
Werdau
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Post by: Wendax on March 18, 2021, 02:32:52 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Julien1A on March 18, 2021, 10:15:02 AM
Die Firma Spier Fahrzeugbau entwickelte im Auftrag und in Zusammrnarbeit mit UPS das Zustellfahrzeug P36.
Hergestellt wurde es jedoch nicht nur bei der Firma Spier, auch die Fa. Kaessbohrer, und die Fa. Flensburger Fahrzeugbau fertigten das gleiche Fahrzeug.

so Flensburger Koffer from FFG. Flensburger Fahrzeugbau?
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Wendax on March 18, 2021, 10:41:37 AM
I took the picture from a leaflet or brochure of another company connected to FFG where the truck is shown under the other company's brand.
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Julien1A on March 18, 2021, 11:00:29 AM
Flensburger Koffer ? also known as FFG Alutechnik
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: sichel on March 18, 2021, 12:21:59 PM
SK-F

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Post by: Wendax on March 18, 2021, 12:58:31 PM
No
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Post by: Julien1A on March 18, 2021, 01:01:48 PM
what about Flensburger Koffer / FFG Alutechnik ?
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Post by: sichel on March 18, 2021, 01:03:00 PM
Voll
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Post by: Wendax on March 18, 2021, 01:13:41 PM
Quote from: Julien1A on March 18, 2021, 01:01:48 PM
what about Flensburger Koffer / FFG Alutechnik ?
Still not

Quote from: sichel on March 18, 2021, 01:03:00 PM
Voll
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: sichel on March 18, 2021, 01:14:47 PM
Friedrichs
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Post by: Julien1A on March 18, 2021, 01:52:41 PM
FTN Fahrzeugtechnik Nord GmbH
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Post by: Wendax on March 18, 2021, 02:25:28 PM
Twice no
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Post by: sichel on March 18, 2021, 02:31:41 PM
Kress
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Post by: Julien1A on March 18, 2021, 02:42:44 PM
JWT Jungenthal Wehrtechnik GmbH
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Post by: Wendax on March 18, 2021, 03:20:35 PM
Two more nos
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Post by: Julien1A on March 18, 2021, 04:05:22 PM
Rexxon?
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Post by: Wendax on March 18, 2021, 05:17:06 PM
No
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Post by: Julien1A on March 19, 2021, 04:00:16 AM
FFG Canada LTD
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Post by: Wendax on March 19, 2021, 04:54:08 AM
No
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Post by: Julien1A on March 19, 2021, 09:09:44 AM
FFG Umwelttechnik GmbH & Co. KG

I don't see why... but last company connected with FFG...
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Post by: Wendax on March 19, 2021, 09:40:52 AM
No
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Post by: Julien1A on March 19, 2021, 10:01:55 AM
ran out of option... it will stay in the black hole for me...
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Post by: sichel on March 19, 2021, 10:10:15 AM
Erhardt
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Post by: Wendax on March 19, 2021, 11:02:40 AM
No
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Post by: sichel on March 19, 2021, 11:26:58 AM
Polarus
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Post by: Wendax on March 19, 2021, 07:06:57 PM
No
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Post by: sichel on March 19, 2021, 07:32:38 PM
I keep reading in the crystal ball. Which manufacturers from this period could have projected such a vehicle? For example: Sommer.
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Post by: Wendax on March 20, 2021, 02:57:29 AM
No
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Post by: sichel on March 20, 2021, 08:35:10 AM
Or Wackenhut?
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Post by: Wendax on March 20, 2021, 09:07:02 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: sichel on March 20, 2021, 10:36:33 AM
StreetScooter
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Post by: Wendax on March 20, 2021, 11:32:04 AM
No
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Post by: sichel on March 22, 2021, 07:29:31 AM
Grumman
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Post by: Wendax on March 22, 2021, 08:37:16 AM
No
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Post by: Julien1A on March 22, 2021, 11:42:09 AM
Hamburger Hochbahn AG
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Post by: oko94 on March 22, 2021, 11:49:02 AM
Quote from: Wendax on March 17, 2021, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: sichel on March 17, 2021, 03:44:36 PM
Bürstner
Interesting answer, but this one is not a Bürstner.

Is the company known as a camper van manufacturer ?
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: sichel on March 22, 2021, 12:10:32 PM
Yes, but for a while they also built special bodies.
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Wendax on March 22, 2021, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: Julien1A on March 22, 2021, 11:42:09 AM
Hamburger Hochbahn AG
No

Quote from: oko94 on March 22, 2021, 11:49:02 AM
Is the company known as a camper van manufacturer ?
No

Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: sichel on March 24, 2021, 08:22:31 AM
Bürstner GmbH, Kehl, is still active as camper van manufacurer. In 1994 they where also listet as producer of parcel-delivery vans.
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Julien1A on March 24, 2021, 08:44:58 AM
Neubrandenburger Fahrzeugwerke GmbH
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Post by: Wendax on March 24, 2021, 11:53:21 AM
No
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Post by: Julien1A on March 24, 2021, 12:13:35 PM
Diehl?
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Post by: oko94 on March 24, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Is there a relation between Bürstner and the company that built the puzzle vehicle ?
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Post by: Wendax on March 24, 2021, 12:30:08 PM
Quote from: Julien1A on March 24, 2021, 12:13:35 PM
Diehl?
No

Quote from: oko94 on March 24, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Is there a relation between Bürstner and the company that built the puzzle vehicle ?
No
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Julien1A on March 24, 2021, 12:46:20 PM
FFT Fahrzeugbau und Fahrzeugtechnik
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Post by: Wendax on March 24, 2021, 12:48:11 PM
No
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Post by: Julien1A on March 24, 2021, 12:49:06 PM
Ichendorfer Fahrzeug- und Instandsetzungs GmbH
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Post by: Wendax on March 24, 2021, 01:12:53 PM
Quote from: Julien1A on March 24, 2021, 12:49:06 PM
Ichendorfer Fahrzeug- und Instandsetzungs GmbH
Yes, that is certainly worth a point. The other point of the usual two Black Hole points will be awarded for finding its name.
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Julien1A on March 24, 2021, 04:17:16 PM
Thank you for the point...

For the model... have no clue... Maybe in an old Diehl catalog... (found the guy out of the Diehl history as they used to own FFG)
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Julien1A on March 24, 2021, 06:46:53 PM
BP 40 - 4136_MB 711D AluCar gr. Paketwagen IFG
(http://www.baumaschinenbilder.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1585471&sid=03b04f6faefb802a469285c5e28b1bd4)
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Wendax on March 25, 2021, 02:06:39 AM
An interesting picture, but not the name I have.
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Oguerrerob on January 12, 2024, 08:05:23 AM
I've found a similar truck tagged as UPS P60 XL Mercedes Benz 407 basis (711D) from Vienna, Austria
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Wendax on January 12, 2024, 08:51:58 AM
Looks right, but I still need the coachbuilder and the model name though.

Not from Austria.
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Oguerrerob on January 12, 2024, 10:10:24 AM
Could it be Grumman P-600?
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Post by: Wendax on January 12, 2024, 10:15:49 AM
No, have a look at the former posts. It was already established that it was built by Ichendorfer Fahrzeug- und Instandsetzungs GmbH. Now I only need the model name.
Title: Re: Wendax 3180
Post by: Oguerrerob on January 12, 2024, 11:10:57 AM
Is the model, a name or a number?
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Post by: Wendax on January 12, 2024, 02:41:33 PM
A name and a letter-number combination