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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2021 => Topic started by: Wendax on January 04, 2021, 01:23:31 AM
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Not in the center of interest.
For one point, please respond and identify this car.
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Lancia aprilia ?
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Not exactly, but related
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Modified Lancia Aurelia ?
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serie 1 Aurelia B-20, built by VIOTTI
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Not an Aurelia
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But the base is a Lancia ?
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Yes
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Ardea ?
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No, Aprilia was a good guess, just not the right name.
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Lancia Ardennes ?
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Yes, the puzzle car is based on a Lancia Ardennes.
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So built in France ?
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mmm... Portout?
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So built in France ?
Yes
mmm... Portout?
No
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Pichon-Parat ?
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No
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A French coachbuilder ?
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Not by a professional coachbuilder
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up again
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By Plotnikoff ?
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No
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up to the top
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Still in existance?
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I don't know
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Was the coach builder involved with other Lancias?
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No
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Was the body fitted to the Ardennes chassis in the 1960s/ 1970s?
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Yes
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Is the body made from surplus panels from the Aurelia/ other cars or 'home made'?
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home-made
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Are there other photos of the car?
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I know three other ones, one before, one during, and one after the rebuild. But I don't know whether they are available online.
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Did the builder construct anything else?
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Yes
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He build another Lancia !
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No
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Ardennes engine?
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Yes
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Can we see one of the other photos?
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Voilà!
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Did the buider work for one of the well know coachbuilders?
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No
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Is the person in the second photo the builder?
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I guess it is the builder's wife.
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Did the builder construct anything else?
he built other italian cars?
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No, this is his only car using major Italian parts.
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So built in France ?
builder of cars based on French car parts?
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Mostly
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Were any makes in particular used as bases?
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It seems each of his cars used a different base.
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Are any of his car creations well known?
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No
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Are the other cars of similar tubular body construction?
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Some
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Did he make cars for competition ?
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Yes
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Success in well known competitions?
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The car participated in some rallyes before it was transformed into an Aurelia GT lookalike, but I wouldn't call those rallyes well known.
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Was it entered as a standard bodied Lancia Ardennes in these rallies?
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Yes
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1960s amateur rallies?
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Earlier and I don't know whether just amateurs took part. Some must have taken it serious as you can see by another contestant:
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Are those triangular graphics nautical 'burgees', which might indicate a coastal based rally?
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I don't think so. The rallye took place around 200 km away from the coast.
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200km from the south french coast?
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No, from the Western one.
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After a second look: the Northern coast seems to be even closer.
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Near to Paris?
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No
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Did the rallye involve a motor racing venue?
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Yes
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French Grand Prix venue?
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Yes
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Le Mans ?
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Yes
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Le Mans seems to be even closer to northern coast than western coast. Is Le Mans the circuit?
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Yes (see above)
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Thanks, missed that. So a 'National' status rally started and finished at Le Mans and including the surrounding area?
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A rallye incorporating the Le Mans track, but starting and ending elsewhere.
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Multi circuit rallye?
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A rallye incorporating the Le Mans track, but starting and ending elsewhere.
That's all I know about that rallye.
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The Tour de France could just be called a rally but it was a multi-venue speed event and did visit Le Mans. Is that the event we should study?
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No
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The car participated in some rallyes before it was transformed into an Aurelia GT lookalike, but I wouldn't call those rallyes well known.
A lot less well known than the TdF then. Will the third picture be posted if ideas run out?
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Tour d'Europe?
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No. I don't know if it helps to find the car, but here is the poster of the rallye the car took part in before the rebuild.
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Lucien Sautenet
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What took you so long to find the right book? ;D
Yes, it is the Lancia Ardennes rebodied by Lucien Sautenet using an original Aurelia roof and grill by Pininfarina.
BTW, the rallye was the Rallye International Sablé-Solesmes 1954.
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Solved Autopuzzle! Excellent and well done. Is there a book with the details? And is there a photo of the car before conversion? Richard
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The information was taken from the book "Constructeurs sans Patente 2" by Dominique Pascal.
Here's the car before conversion (#124):
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Actually I've found the solution online. I have the aforementioned book but it didn't occur to me that it could be related to this puzzle.
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Puzzle for real champions. Me never came the idea Dominique Pascal's book "Constructeurs sans Patente 2" may help solving this puzzle.
Heavy time consuming brilliant puzzle. Congratulation to 'oko94' for the solution
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Actually I've found the solution online. I have the aforementioned book but it didn't occur to me that it could be related to this puzzle.
Many thanks, is there any written text in the book to accompany the photographs, or an online link? Richard
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I'll send a scan to you this evening.
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Scan recieved. Many thanks, Richard