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Title: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on August 16, 2023, 07:31:48 PM
Please identify this vehicle for a point:
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on August 22, 2023, 12:15:29 PM
Experts?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on August 29, 2023, 03:51:59 AM
Now open to Rookies, Experts, and Pros.
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Fёdor on August 29, 2023, 09:27:49 AM
Made before World War II?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on August 29, 2023, 10:15:48 AM
Quote from: Fёdor on August 29, 2023, 09:27:49 AM
Made before World War II?
Yes
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Fёdor on August 29, 2023, 10:39:27 AM
European?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on August 29, 2023, 10:47:56 AM
Quote from: Fёdor on August 29, 2023, 10:39:27 AM
European?
No
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Fёdor on August 29, 2023, 12:06:50 PM
USA ?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on August 29, 2023, 12:10:46 PM
Quote from: Fёdor on August 29, 2023, 12:06:50 PM
USA ?
Yes
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Fёdor on August 29, 2023, 01:03:12 PM
Made in the 20s?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on August 29, 2023, 01:08:57 PM
Quote from: Fёdor on August 29, 2023, 01:03:12 PM
Made in the 20s?
Yes
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Fёdor on August 30, 2023, 03:41:38 AM
Is this a one-off project?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on August 30, 2023, 03:43:45 AM
Quote from: Fёdor on August 30, 2023, 03:41:38 AM
Is this a one-off project?
No
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: neilshouse on August 31, 2023, 01:52:55 AM
Maybe a Flint?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on August 31, 2023, 02:10:16 AM
Quote from: neilshouse on August 31, 2023, 01:52:55 AM
Maybe a Flint?
Not a Flint
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on September 07, 2023, 12:47:17 PM
Open to all.
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 07, 2023, 01:14:12 PM
Duryea?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on September 07, 2023, 01:19:28 PM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on September 07, 2023, 01:14:12 PM
Duryea?
No
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 08, 2023, 07:59:33 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on August 29, 2023, 01:08:57 PM
Quote from: Fёdor on August 29, 2023, 01:03:12 PM
Made in the 20s?
Yes
Between 1920-1925?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on September 08, 2023, 12:01:20 PM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on September 08, 2023, 07:59:33 AM
Quote from: gte4289 on August 29, 2023, 01:08:57 PM
Quote from: Fёdor on August 29, 2023, 01:03:12 PM
Made in the 20s?
Yes
Between 1920-1925?
Yes
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 12, 2023, 01:40:58 PM
From the East Coast?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on September 12, 2023, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on September 12, 2023, 01:40:58 PM
From the East Coast?
Yes
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 12, 2023, 02:31:53 PM
New York?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on September 12, 2023, 02:33:12 PM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on September 12, 2023, 02:31:53 PM
New York?
Yes
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: nicanary on September 13, 2023, 07:38:47 AM
I'm sure I've seen this photo before, so I've just spent time looking at every page in my Beaulieu Encyclopedia (1792 pages) and it's not there!
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Wendax on September 13, 2023, 02:43:22 PM
From New York City?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on September 13, 2023, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: Wendax on September 13, 2023, 02:43:22 PM
From New York City?
Yes
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on September 13, 2023, 03:18:54 PM
Quote from: nicanary on September 13, 2023, 07:38:47 AM
I'm sure I've seen this photo before, so I've just spent time looking at every page in my Beaulieu Encyclopedia (1792 pages) and it's not there!
The company is listed in the Beaulieu Encyclopedia, as well as on several websites, but this is the only photo I've ever seen. I found it in my own digital archive, downloaded years ago from some since-forgotten source.
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 14, 2023, 10:44:08 AM
Is it Electric?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on September 14, 2023, 11:00:17 AM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on September 14, 2023, 10:44:08 AM
Is it Electric?
No
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 15, 2023, 02:49:04 AM
1924?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on September 15, 2023, 02:57:06 AM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on September 15, 2023, 02:49:04 AM
1924?
1923
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: oko94 on September 24, 2023, 03:34:54 PM
Was the manufacturer active only in 1923 ?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on September 24, 2023, 03:40:20 PM
Quote from: oko94 on September 24, 2023, 03:34:54 PM
Was the manufacturer active only in 1923 ?
As far as I'm aware, yes.
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 25, 2023, 12:03:47 AM
Did they build only three wheelers?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on September 25, 2023, 12:12:26 AM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on September 25, 2023, 12:03:47 AM
Did they build only three wheelers?
Yes, according to all sources I've seen. But then, the same sources are wrong about other aspects.
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2023, 05:27:50 AM
Steam powered ?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on September 25, 2023, 05:51:04 AM
Quote from: oko94 on September 25, 2023, 05:27:50 AM
Steam powered ?
No
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: oko94 on September 25, 2023, 08:02:44 AM
Sekine ?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on September 25, 2023, 10:59:50 AM
Quote from: oko94 on September 25, 2023, 08:02:44 AM
Sekine ?
No
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 26, 2023, 01:32:06 AM
Car Motors Corporation?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on September 26, 2023, 01:33:36 AM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on September 26, 2023, 01:32:06 AM
Car Motors Corporation?
No
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 26, 2023, 01:34:10 AM
Delmore?
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on September 26, 2023, 02:09:24 AM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on September 26, 2023, 01:34:10 AM
Delmore?
That's it! Another point for you.
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Oguerrerob on September 26, 2023, 02:14:29 AM
Thank you!!
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: nicanary on September 26, 2023, 04:14:57 AM
Nick Georgano got that totally wrong. He claims the single wheel was at the rear, anmd the driver sat alone behind the passnegers.
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Fёdor on October 04, 2023, 03:11:43 PM
Absolutely does not correspond to the existing images of this machine.
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on October 04, 2023, 03:25:55 PM
Quote from: gte4289 on September 13, 2023, 03:18:54 PM
...this is the only photo I've ever seen. I found it in my own digital archive, downloaded years ago from some since-forgotten source.
Quote from: Fёdor on October 04, 2023, 03:11:43 PM
Absolutely does not correspond to the existing images of this machine.
You're right! The image I have must've been mislabeled.  :o :-[

Oguerrerob gets to keep a point, but I'm moving this back to 'Masters' with another point for anyone who can solve this mystery (with proof).

Here's the uncropped photo, taken in New York City. (The building in the background is the Young Mens Hebrew Association at 1511 Fulton Ave, Claremont, Bronx, NY.)
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on December 25, 2023, 01:43:37 AM
Into the hole, so now worth two points.
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on February 23, 2025, 01:33:29 PM
Moved to the appropriate section and still worth 2 points.
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Oguerrerob on April 24, 2025, 01:13:26 PM
Herds Three Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929 New York, New York, USA

"By 1929, Edvin Herds had moved to New York City where he constructed an attractive three-wheeled prototype roadster with folding top. The car's silhouette was reminiscent of the Duryea GEM, including the use of wooden-spoke artillery wheels. However, Herds mounted his engine in front of the driver and perched the seat over the rear axle. He claimed his car was safer at high speeds than any four-wheeler of comparable construction. "The front wheel will, in the act of steering, shift laterally and so incline against the curve that the fourth wheel is not needed any more," he stated in his low-budget advertising, which consisted primarily of post cars, personal letters and photographs of the car taken near New York's Young Men's Hebrew Association (YMHA) building at the corner of East 92nd Street and Lexington Avenue.

"It is faster because its weight per horsepower is less than in comparable four wheelers," Herds claimed. "It is safer at high speed, first because it is on three wheels but mainly because of a new principle of powerful self-centering effect, which makes the front wheel steadier the faster it is driven." Herds also promised excellent performance and economical operation. "The speed and acceleration are faster simply because it has much less weight, also less road resistance. For the same reason, it is obviously more economical to run."

"Herds built the car with financial assistance from his business partner, Vilho Saila. "I could have sold it already and started another," he once told Saila, "but after a fast trial in Long Island I found it necessary to increase the positive caster angle. It would have been two weeks work and no more dough." However, Herds did make several slight aesthetic modifications to his prototype over a period of three of four years. He replaced the original two-piece windshield with a single-pane unit. He moved the headlights from a low position at the front of the car to a higher position on the cowl, perhaps because the front tire blocked the beams when the wheel turned. He shortened the long, tapered running boards, which originally extended the length of the body from the rear fenders forward. And he highlighted the belt line with a contrasting color when he refreshed the car's paint scheme."
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: gte4289 on April 24, 2025, 04:39:39 PM
Quote from: Oguerrerob on April 24, 2025, 01:13:26 PM
Herds Three Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929 New York, New York, USA
:applause:
Thank you! Two points for you!
Title: Re: Solved: GTE 500 - Herds 3-Wheel Automobile by Edvin Herds 1929
Post by: Oguerrerob on April 24, 2025, 04:47:07 PM
Thank you!!