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Title: NEH 4352
Post by: Carnut on November 05, 2015, 07:32:39 AM
What's this, based on what, powered by what, by whom and from when - all for 1 point!

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Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Carnut on November 19, 2015, 04:57:54 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Carnut on December 17, 2015, 03:52:35 AM
Professionals?
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Wendax on December 17, 2015, 03:56:28 AM
Austrian?
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: kwgibbs on December 17, 2015, 03:58:56 AM
velomobile?
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Carnut on December 17, 2015, 04:30:34 AM
No x 2.
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Wendax on December 17, 2015, 04:33:18 AM
Spanish?
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: kwgibbs on December 17, 2015, 04:34:40 AM
Swedish three-wheeler?
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2015, 04:51:05 AM
I have it as HPD Special. I'll look for more...
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Carnut on December 17, 2015, 05:24:13 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2015, 04:51:05 AM
I have it as HPD Special. I'll look for more...

It is an HPD special but I believe that expression refers to a particular class of vehicle for registration purposes!
It just means it's a home-built..
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Wendax on December 17, 2015, 06:39:45 AM
Quote from: kwgibbs on December 17, 2015, 04:34:40 AM
Swedish three-wheeler?
This question rang a bell. I found it back as built by Stig Ihlberg from Sillerud in 1948-49.
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2015, 08:35:01 AM
Quote from: Wendax on December 17, 2015, 06:39:45 AM
Quote from: kwgibbs on December 17, 2015, 04:34:40 AM
Swedish three-wheeler?
This question rang a bell. I found it back as built by Stig Ihlberg from Sillerud in 1948-49.
I can imagine the concert you heard after this, then:
Quote from: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2015, 04:51:05 AM
I have it as HPD Special. I'll look for more...
;)
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Wendax on December 17, 2015, 09:55:30 AM
Actually not, as we had quite a few Swedish homebuilt one-offs from that site before.
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: kwgibbs on December 17, 2015, 11:32:22 AM
I found it on a well-known site with just a photograph of this car,but with no information?
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Carnut on December 17, 2015, 11:43:52 AM
Quote from: kwgibbs on December 17, 2015, 11:32:22 AM
I found it on a well-known site with just a photograph of this car,but with no information?

Sorry, I didn't answer your questions before; yes, it's a Swedish 3-wheeler.

Quote from: Wendax on December 17, 2015, 06:39:45 AM
Quote from: kwgibbs on December 17, 2015, 04:34:40 AM
Swedish three-wheeler?
This question rang a bell. I found it back as built by Stig Ihlberg from Sillerud in 1948-49.

That's who built it, yes.
I'll lock it until your next reply to complete the answers to the remaining questions...
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Wendax on December 17, 2015, 01:20:24 PM
I just can guess, as you must probably have "the book" which I don't. Is it based on a Monark motorbike?
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2015, 01:55:18 PM
Quote from: Wendax on December 17, 2015, 09:55:30 AM
Actually not, as we had quite a few Swedish homebuilt one-offs from that site before.
Well, I  knew your answer was not enough and I have it on page 147 of that book (as I did earlier today) but I decided it was not kind in your regards. I hope this kindness will one day be an inspiration...  ;)
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2015, 02:03:12 PM
Let me rephrase that: it's a struggle to get a point these days...I hope I will have more time to play but when I have not, I'll be glad to have the chance to dig more for the ones I know...
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Wendax on December 17, 2015, 02:42:08 PM
PM sent
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2015, 04:44:25 PM
I'll reply as soon as I can to your PM.
I can anticipate here that my post (and also few others around) are probably the result of accumulated stress.
I have less and less time to play and of course less time to choose the words in some comments and they can appear too sharp or unfriendly. I did not mean that.
You can play as you please of course and I can't see a single post of yours where you broke any written rule.
I'll explain better via PM but since it all started here, I'd like to post here that was not my intention to question the way you played.
The fact that I have not enough time is my problem and if I can't earn a lock with my quick replies, I can't just ask anyone to let me finish it.
...but yet I won't complete this puzzle untill Carnut decide you had enough time.  ;)





Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Wendax on December 17, 2015, 04:58:11 PM
I didn't mean to create extra stress.  ;)
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2015, 05:06:51 PM
Stop scoring points then...how long do you think I can keep up?  ;D
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: oko94 on December 17, 2015, 06:12:13 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2015, 02:03:12 PM
it's a struggle to get a point these days

When I see how fast you keep on racking up points pretty much everyday (and more than anyone else on this site), I have a hard time imagining that you are really struggling !
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Carnut on December 18, 2015, 04:07:12 AM
Quote from: Wendax on December 17, 2015, 01:20:24 PM
I just can guess, as you must probably have "the book" which I don't. Is it based on a Monark motorbike?

The car isn't based on a motorbike, though the engine could conceivably be a m/cycle engine; I only know what type of engine it is and its power output, not the brand.
So the puzzle is open again!
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2015, 04:08:19 AM
Quote from: oko94 on December 17, 2015, 06:12:13 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2015, 02:03:12 PM
it's a struggle to get a point these days

When I see how fast you keep on racking up points pretty much everyday (and more than anyone else on this site), I have a hard time imagining that you are really struggling !
Believe me it is!
Right now there is a Peugeot car with a flip-top I saw in at least 2 different online magazines. Do you think I remember where? I don't think I'll have the time to track it back, even if it was pictured in the same page where another puzzle was...it's a tough life  ;D
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2015, 04:08:56 AM
Stig Ilberg from Sillerud, just southeast of Arjang, did a small two-seater vehicle in 1951. The car was a completely separate construction with tubular steel frame, transparent flat body with a soft top and mechanical brakes on all wheels. Ilberg had four small wheels, but the rear was sitting close together a la Italian Isetta which was first produced two years later. The engine of 350 cubic came from a motorcycle and power transmission occurred by means of chain.
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Carnut on December 18, 2015, 04:14:21 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2015, 04:08:56 AM
Stig Ilberg from Sillerud, just southeast of Arjang, did a small two-seater vehicle in 1951. The car was a completely separate construction with tubular steel frame, transparent flat body with a soft top and mechanical brakes on all wheels. Ilberg had four small wheels, but the rear was sitting close together a la Italian Isetta which was first produced two years later. The engine of 350 cubic came from a motorcycle and power transmission occurred by means of chain.

But that's a different vehicle from the puzzle car?
On what was the puzzle car based?
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2015, 02:40:56 PM
According to the book, he built that car in 1951 and was powered by a 350cc motorcycle engine. Looking at the pic (that is not in the book) the description seems to fit. There is not a base car there...I won't be surprised if it is based on a  pedal car.
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Arunas on December 18, 2015, 03:37:54 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on December 17, 2015, 02:03:12 PM
it's a struggle to get a point these days...

On old good days gone it was enough to say what is the car - make & model + builder, if needed. Now there are 3-5 questions to answer for one and the same - single point! Looks like the best way to answer all those questions is just to write a complete article about the mystery car. Why is that so?

I believe those requests to detail answers stop many of us those few still active members even from trying their luck because there will be no extra points for extra info - only single point no matter how much time and effort you put into finding answers to questions. I just want to remind that not everyone has hours of spare time to sit down and dig for those answers. This can be just a couple of minutes a week....
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Carnut on December 18, 2015, 07:14:22 PM
It's just that puzzlers seem to be able to answer what I think of as almost impossible puzzles with ridiculous ease so I try to make the puzzles more difficult and make these real professional puzzlers work for their point..
Most of my puzzles are solved with barely a question asked so I have to think of ways to make them real brain-teasers.
No-one is forced to take part..
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Carnut on December 21, 2015, 04:42:51 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on December 18, 2015, 02:40:56 PM
According to the book, he built that car in 1951 and was powered by a 350cc motorcycle engine. Looking at the pic (that is not in the book) the description seems to fit. There is not a base car there...I won't be surprised if it is based on a  pedal car.

In view of Arunas's remarks perhaps I should give a point to the one who has posted most information so far, who is Wendax.
I still won't call this puzzle solved however as there is one question still to be answered, which can be by anyone.

This is the information I have about this car, most of which has already been given here in replies:

"This small car is a one-off built by Stig Ihlberg in Sillerund, Sweden 1948-49.
It was very popular in Sweden at that time to build from parts left in the yard.  HPD is short for in Swedish "Hop-Plockade-Delar" which translates as "Gathered picked parts".  All these types of cars got the name, when registered for road, HPD and a number.  This car got the registered identification HPD Special ***** *****.  It had a two-stroke 19 PS engine and weighed 440 kg.  The car was scrapped in 1957.  It had a pipe frame and on this a welded plate chassis.  The plates were taken from a *****."

Who can convert the *s into the missing words?  Points are there for the taking!
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: cljo on January 12, 2016, 09:28:49 AM
Hello

Not all home made cars in Sweden during this period were called HPD in the registration documents. Only a few. HPD was meant in a condescending notion. The cars often got named after their builders surname, usually in addition with "Special" or "Sport".
Best Regards
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Carnut on January 12, 2016, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: cljo on January 12, 2016, 09:28:49 AM
Hello

Not all home made cars in Sweden during this period were called HPD in the registration documents. Only a few. HPD was meant in a condescending notion. The cars often got named after their builders surname, usually in addition with "Special" or "Sport".
Best Regards

Thanks.
I'm just looking for the numbers allocated to the car; any ideas?
Title: Re: NEH 4352
Post by: Carnut on October 13, 2016, 05:46:23 AM
Time to move this to the Black Hole to see if anyone can answer the questions posed in Reply #30.
Points have already been awarded for the most comprehensive answer so far.
If nobody can get the remaining questions after a couple of weeks I might declare this solved, fill in the missing numbers and move this to 'Solved'.