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Title: Part-solved: NEH 5593: KIV-21 (Kia Innovative Vehicle for the C21) designed by ?
Post by: Carnut on July 15, 2020, 02:52:37 PM
What's this, by whom - for 1 point?:

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Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: alltag on July 21, 2020, 04:43:55 PM
Italdesign Giugiaro?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on July 21, 2020, 05:53:05 PM
No..
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on July 29, 2020, 05:23:37 AM
Experts?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: richard cuyler on August 16, 2020, 08:00:20 PM
Design study for a Subaru?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on August 17, 2020, 03:49:37 AM
Quote from: richard cuyler on August 16, 2020, 08:00:20 PM
Design study for a Subaru?

Design study but not for a Subaru..
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 01, 2020, 08:46:23 AM
Professionals?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on September 01, 2020, 09:20:00 AM
A proposal from the UK?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 01, 2020, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: Djetset on September 01, 2020, 09:20:00 AM
A proposal from the UK?

No UK connection at all...
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on September 01, 2020, 10:08:02 AM
Japanese?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 01, 2020, 12:05:09 PM
Quote from: Djetset on September 01, 2020, 10:08:02 AM
Japanese?

No
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on September 01, 2020, 12:09:11 PM
From mainland Europe?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 01, 2020, 01:14:14 PM
Quote from: Djetset on September 01, 2020, 12:09:11 PM
From mainland Europe?

Not European...
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on September 01, 2020, 05:04:52 PM
North American?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 01, 2020, 05:36:19 PM
Quote from: Djetset on September 01, 2020, 05:04:52 PM
North American?

No..
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on September 01, 2020, 06:04:28 PM
Ha, so South American then?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 02, 2020, 05:52:32 AM
Quote from: Djetset on September 01, 2020, 06:04:28 PM
Ha, so South American then?

No, not South American either!
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on September 02, 2020, 05:58:02 AM
Australia?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 02, 2020, 06:55:09 AM
Quote from: Djetset on September 02, 2020, 05:58:02 AM
Australia?

No
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on September 02, 2020, 07:02:33 AM
Could it be African?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 02, 2020, 08:34:04 AM
Quote from: Djetset on September 02, 2020, 07:02:33 AM
Could it be African?

No, not from anywhere in Africa.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on September 02, 2020, 08:46:40 AM
From China?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 02, 2020, 12:54:15 PM
Quote from: Djetset on September 02, 2020, 08:46:40 AM
From China?

No...
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Arunas on September 05, 2020, 12:39:50 AM
From Korea?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 05, 2020, 04:25:32 AM
Quote from: Arunas on September 05, 2020, 12:39:50 AM
From Korea?

Yes!
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Fёdor on September 05, 2020, 04:50:56 AM
Daewoo
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 05, 2020, 07:24:26 AM
Quote from: Fёdor on September 05, 2020, 04:50:56 AM
Daewoo

No.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on September 05, 2020, 05:13:34 PM
South Korea I assume?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 05, 2020, 05:17:29 PM
Quote from: Djetset on September 05, 2020, 05:13:34 PM
South Korea I assume?

Indeed!
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Arunas on September 06, 2020, 02:42:48 AM
Hyundai?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on September 06, 2020, 03:00:08 AM
Kia?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 06, 2020, 04:29:33 AM
Quote from: Arunas on September 06, 2020, 02:42:48 AM
Hyundai?

No...

Quote from: Djetset on September 06, 2020, 03:00:08 AM
Kia?

because it is a Kia, yes.
Locked for you for one try to see if you can identify what its name is and who designed it.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on September 11, 2020, 04:42:51 AM
I'm struggling a little with this one. Was it an external project for Kia, created by IAD, for example?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 11, 2020, 05:24:26 AM
It wasn't done by Kia themselves but they sponsored it.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on September 11, 2020, 08:17:58 AM
Was it an RCA student product?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 11, 2020, 11:29:32 AM
Quote from: Djetset on September 11, 2020, 08:17:58 AM
Was it an RCA student product?

Yes!
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on September 12, 2020, 12:07:31 PM
Was it a 1990s RCA student's project?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 12, 2020, 05:41:31 PM
Quote from: Djetset on September 12, 2020, 12:07:31 PM
Was it a 1990s RCA student's project?

No, earlier.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on September 16, 2020, 02:12:12 PM
Any Kia KMX-90 connection?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on September 16, 2020, 03:34:59 PM
I don't think so, but I don't know who designed that so I can't say so categorically.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on October 04, 2020, 03:21:57 PM
Time to unlock this and move it to the Masters..
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: oko94 on October 04, 2020, 04:52:08 PM
Designed between 1985 and 1990 ?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on October 04, 2020, 05:40:29 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: oko94 on October 04, 2020, 05:47:59 PM
1988 ?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on October 04, 2020, 05:51:17 PM
Quote from: oko94 on October 04, 2020, 05:47:59 PM
1988 ?

No, 1986.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on October 04, 2020, 05:57:10 PM
Is it a Steve Harper project for Kia?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on October 05, 2020, 06:11:01 AM
Quote from: Djetset on October 04, 2020, 05:57:10 PM
Is it a Steve Harper project for Kia?

No, not a European or American.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Djetset on October 05, 2020, 06:54:56 AM
Was the RCA student from South Korea?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on October 05, 2020, 08:23:36 AM
Quote from: Djetset on October 05, 2020, 06:54:56 AM
Was the RCA student from South Korea?

Yes, he was.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: pnegyesi on October 12, 2020, 08:04:09 AM
Sooshin Choi
?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on October 12, 2020, 09:14:38 AM
Quote from: pnegyesi on October 12, 2020, 08:04:09 AM
Sooshin Choi
?

No, not him.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: oko94 on November 07, 2020, 08:17:14 AM
Has this student eventually designed a production car during his career ?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on November 07, 2020, 10:50:59 AM
I can't find one, so probably not.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Oguerrerob on November 30, 2020, 03:24:07 PM
Jongser Park ?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on December 01, 2020, 03:57:03 AM
No.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: oko94 on December 03, 2020, 01:37:16 PM
Can the puzzle car be found online ?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on December 03, 2020, 02:14:40 PM
I don't think so.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: oko94 on December 05, 2020, 04:45:47 AM
Is there any way to solve this puzzle apart from finding the book or magazine where the puzzle picture was sourced from ?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on December 05, 2020, 02:58:38 PM
I haven't been able to find it online, but it does form part of Kia's series of concept car names, so it's probably out there somewhere; maybe on a Korean site in the Korean language!
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: oko94 on December 05, 2020, 03:02:38 PM
There was a KMX-90 in 1984, so maybe a KMX-92 in 1986 ?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on December 05, 2020, 05:44:20 PM
Only the first letter is right (because it stands for 'Kia' anyway!)
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: pnegyesi on December 05, 2020, 11:21:21 PM
KEV-2?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: oko94 on December 06, 2020, 02:36:19 AM
KEV-1 ?

KEV-3 ?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: pnegyesi on December 06, 2020, 02:39:23 AM
Quote from: oko94 on December 06, 2020, 02:36:19 AM
KEV-1 ?

that was a minivan, that is why I modified to KEV-2 :)
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: oko94 on December 06, 2020, 02:46:33 AM
Alright, let's go for KEV-3 (even though I reckon you have found the right answer).
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on December 06, 2020, 04:52:36 AM
Getting closer...

It's K*V-2*

Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: pnegyesi on December 06, 2020, 04:57:59 AM
KCV-20?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on December 06, 2020, 07:14:14 AM
Close, but no cigar yet...
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: oko94 on December 06, 2020, 07:30:19 AM
KDV-21 ?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on December 06, 2020, 09:04:25 AM
All except the 'D' is right; the middle letter stands for a word.
'21' refers to the 21st century.

This was written about it at the time in the 1987 publication I got it from:

"Thinking that the need for multi-functional, multi-purpose vehicles would increase because of the country's growing economy and driver population, the designer has proposed a 3-door sedan with large sliding doors."
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: oko94 on December 06, 2020, 09:07:08 AM
KSV-21 ?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on December 06, 2020, 05:37:22 PM
Not an 'S'.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: fromwien on December 06, 2020, 05:48:42 PM
I don't want to earn a point, as so much work was done by other people for this puzzle, but may be...

...KAV-21 the solution?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: oko94 on December 07, 2020, 03:12:04 AM
KFV-21 ?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on December 07, 2020, 04:28:05 AM
Neither KAV-21 nor KFV-21 is right.
Try to think of the word that might refer to a car for the 21st century from the point of view of 1986.
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: oko94 on December 07, 2020, 04:53:49 AM
KIV-21 (I for Innovative) ?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: fromwien on December 07, 2020, 06:19:20 AM
KMV-21,.. 'M' for 'multi'...
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on December 07, 2020, 11:17:04 AM
Quote from: oko94 on December 07, 2020, 04:53:49 AM
KIV-21 (I for Innovative) ?

Yes, exactly!
Just need to know who was responsible for it now...
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: oko94 on December 07, 2020, 12:50:53 PM
Unfortunately there's nothing online about this concept so I'm afraid I'll have to give up.

Or can the designer be found online even if his car can't ?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on December 07, 2020, 02:52:13 PM
I don't think he can, no; I haven't been able to find anything out about his career at Kia, if he had one.
So I've given you a point and I think we'll call it solved.
I'll leave it where it is for the moment in case someone finds they have the same book I have (and it's quite likely some AutoPuzzlers have since it was a popular series of soft or hard-backed books) but if no-one does then I'll move it to solved eventually.
Title: Re: Part-solved: NEH 5593: KIV-21 (Kia Innovative Vehicle for the C21) designed by ?
Post by: oko94 on December 07, 2020, 03:08:52 PM
Thanks !
Title: Re: Part-solved: NEH 5593: KIV-21 (Kia Innovative Vehicle for the C21) designed by ?
Post by: Carnut on May 31, 2021, 02:13:08 PM
Black Hole time?
Title: Re: Part-solved: NEH 5593: KIV-21 (Kia Innovative Vehicle for the C21) designed by ?
Post by: hermanoto on July 12, 2021, 04:22:43 AM
Peter Schreyer?
Title: Re: NEH 5593
Post by: Carnut on July 12, 2021, 05:51:20 AM
Quote from: hermanoto on July 12, 2021, 04:22:43 AM
Peter Schreyer?

No - see below:

Quote from: Carnut on October 05, 2020, 08:23:36 AM
Quote from: Djetset on October 05, 2020, 06:54:56 AM
Was the RCA student from South Korea?

Yes, he was.
Title: Re: Part-solved: NEH 5593: KIV-21 (Kia Innovative Vehicle for the C21) designed by ?
Post by: sixtee5cuda on February 26, 2022, 11:05:49 PM
What is "C21"?

Is RCA the Royal College of Art?
Title: Re: Part-solved: NEH 5593: KIV-21 (Kia Innovative Vehicle for the C21) designed by ?
Post by: Carnut on February 28, 2022, 10:26:35 AM
C21 is the 21st Century.
Yes, RCA = the Royal College of Art.
Title: Re: Part-solved: NEH 5593: KIV-21 (Kia Innovative Vehicle for the C21) designed by ?
Post by: pnegyesi on November 13, 2022, 11:25:53 AM
do you know when this competition was in 1986
or do you know the date of the 1987 publication you found the info in?
Title: Re: Part-solved: NEH 5593: KIV-21 (Kia Innovative Vehicle for the C21) designed by ?
Post by: Carnut on November 27, 2022, 06:29:02 AM
The competition was the RCA Degree Show of 1986 and the publication was the 'Winter 1987' one, which was published in January 1987.
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