Yes,another group puzzle! And a lot of points ;)
All these pictures are connected,so there are a lot of connections here!! 1 point each
1 point - Connections
2 points - Place and Pilot
3 points - Place,pilot and machine
Part I : Places
Part II : Pilots!
Part IIIa : Cars!!!
Part IIIb and final : More cars...
Very cool, João
Great puzzle! :applause:
Great! Thanks for posting! It will take some time, though :)
Thank you guys! ;)
Movin' :)
Excellent puzzle - will keep me busy for a while!
Ready OOOOOO
Set OOOOOO
GOOOOOO Pros!
I'm guessing BRAZIL!
Argh...I have several answers ready, but the problem is tying this all with pictures of places!
Let's pretend Place #7 is Circuito de Gavea. Then we'll have Car #3 related to it - a 5.3-liter Stutz special and Driver #10 (?), who may be Jose Villafranca. The year should be 1938 in this case.
Another set related to Circuito de Gavea will be Irineu Correa (driver #9) and his Ford V8 Special (car #2), who has won there in 1934.
Quote from: billtorrance9999 on January 20, 2011, 10:39:44 AM
I'm guessing BRAZIL!
Brazil and ? ;)
QuoteLet's pretend Place #7 is Circuito de Gavea. Then we'll have Car #3 related to it - a 5.3-liter Stutz special and Driver #10 (?), who may be Jose Villafranca. The year should be 1938 in this case.
You're right with the car and the place! In this case the driver appears with the machine,so it's not driver #10,and it's José Villafranca indeed! Nice Faksta,3 points for you!
More pictures...Circuito da Gávea 1938 :
QuoteAnother set related to Circuito de Gavea will be Irineu Correa (driver #9) and his Ford V8 Special (car #2), who has won there in 1934.
Absolutely right! and more points!
More pictures :
I would connect Pilot #11 with Car #14, and their combo to Place #5. The event is III Circuito do Maracanã, on April 3, 1954, where well-known Brazilian architect Sérgio Bernardes finished 2nd overall and won his category at the wheel of his newly acquired Ferrari 225S Spyder Vignale.
An excellent puzzle indeed... :thumbsup:
Quote from: Ehhxekt on January 20, 2011, 06:44:04 PM
I would connect Pilot #11 with Car #14, and their combo to Place #5. The event is III Circuito do Maracanã, on April 3, 1954, where well-known Brazilian architect Sérgio Bernardes finished 2nd overall and won his category at the wheel of his newly acquired Ferrari 225S Spyder Vignale.
An excellent puzzle indeed... :thumbsup:
Thanks!
Fantastic answer Ehhxekt!! 3 points for you
This Ferrari still exists here :
Is place #1 Autodromo Virgilio Tavora? It then should be related to car #12 - Torke-Maserati and driver #6 - Chico Landi.
Probably you meant to include another car here as well - #6 Maserati 300S chassis #3062, which, as far as I remember, has later become the Torke.
And in case place #6 is indeed somewhere around Interlagos, let's tie it to car #5 - Ferrari 250TR #0606MM and driver #5 - Aguinaldo de Gois Filho (should be 1961 Interlagos 500km).
Place #3 - Boa Vista? Then it should be connected with drivers on photo #3 (Alvaro and Aylton Varanda) and cars #7 (Ferrari 500 Mondial) and #8 (Ferrari 225S Spider Vignale as well?).
Quote from: faksta on January 21, 2011, 12:11:44 PM
Is place #1 Autodromo Virgilio Tavora? It then should be related to car #12 - Torke-Maserati and driver #6 - Chico Landi.
Probably you meant to include another car here as well - #6 Maserati 300S chassis #3062, which, as far as I remember, has later become the Torke.
No points here :-\
Place number #1 : wrong,it isn't the Autodromo Virgilio Tavora...but a famous F1 circuit
Car number #12 : Yes,it's the Torke-Maserati driven by Chico Landi,racer number #6.I can't see this option here for car and pilot so no points too.
It wasn't chassis #3062 that has later become the Torke but...... _____________
Another picture of Torke :
Quote from: faksta on January 21, 2011, 12:15:40 PM
And in case place #6 is indeed somewhere around Interlagos, let's tie it to car #5 - Ferrari 250TR #0606MM and driver #5 - Aguinaldo de Gois Filho (should be 1961 Interlagos 500km).
Again,the same thing...wrong place ( far from that ) right car and right driver ,and no points :-\
It's indeed the 1961 500km of Interlagos,but try to match with another place
Quote from: faksta on January 21, 2011, 01:53:22 PM
Place #3 - Boa Vista? Then it should be connected with drivers on photo #3 (Alvaro and Aylton Varanda) and cars #7 (Ferrari 500 Mondial) and #8 (Ferrari 225S Spider Vignale as well?).
Wrong place,there is no place for this Ferrari 500 Mondial picture.It's a connection photo.Find another point that connects this picture to another thing.(To another car or pilot).
Pilot and Car : ;)
The photo of Car #13, an Alfa Romeo JK with Mário Olivetti (Pilot #7) standing beside it, was taken at the Circuito de Petrópolis in 1961; I'd connect them to Place #4, Belvedere of Petrópolis.
Place #4 seems to be a link in another thread as well: on 24 September, 1933, Roberto Marinho (Pilot #2) set a speed record in his Voisin C20 Coupé (Car #1) at the Rio–Petrópolis road race.
The inaugural race at Place #2, Circuito da Praia de Botafogo, was held on 17 June, 1956. Overall winner was Car #9, a Ferrari 225S driven by Arthuro de Souza Costa. Could he be Pilot #4?
Quote from: João on January 21, 2011, 08:33:18 PM
Quote from: faksta on January 21, 2011, 12:15:40 PM
And in case place #6 is indeed somewhere around Interlagos, let's tie it to car #5 - Ferrari 250TR #0606MM and driver #5 - Aguinaldo de Gois Filho (should be 1961 Interlagos 500km).
Again,the same thing...wrong place ( far from that ) right car and right driver ,and no points :-\
It's indeed the 1961 500km of Interlagos,but try to match with another place
So, Interlagos should be #1? Doesn't look similar enough - maybe one of the early forms?
QuoteThe photo of Car #13, an Alfa Romeo JK with Mário Olivetti (Pilot #7) standing beside it, was taken at the Circuito de Petrópolis in 1961; I'd connect them to Place #4, Belvedere of Petrópolis.
Right car,right pilot and wrong place.
QuotePlace #4 seems to be a link in another thread as well: on 24 September, 1933, Roberto Marinho (Pilot #2) set a speed record in his Voisin C20 Coupé (Car #1) at the Rio–Petrópolis road race.
Perfect! The Belvedere stays in the road of Rio-Petrópolis
More pictures :
QuoteThe inaugural race at Place #2, Circuito da Praia de Botafogo, was held on 17 June, 1956. Overall winner was Car #9, a Ferrari 225S driven by Arthur de Souza Costa. Could he be Pilot #4?
Again a pilot that appears with the machine,it's indeed Arthur de Souza Costa Filho! So it's not pilot #4.He completed 15 laps with 27min26s.
Well done!
More pictures :
QuoteSo, Interlagos should be #1? Doesn't look similar enough - maybe one of the early forms?
Yes! It's a picture from 1973! Locked for you!
OK, then
Quote from: faksta on January 21, 2011, 12:15:40 PM
let's tie it to car #5 - Ferrari 250TR #0606MM and driver #5 - Aguinaldo de Gois Filho (should be 1961 Interlagos 500km).
:)
That's it! :thumbsup:
Quote from: João on January 21, 2011, 08:45:37 PM
Quote from: faksta on January 21, 2011, 01:53:22 PM
Place #3 - Boa Vista? Then it should be connected with drivers on photo #3 (Alvaro and Aylton Varanda) and cars #7 (Ferrari 500 Mondial) and #8 (Ferrari 225S Spider Vignale as well?).
Wrong place,there is no place for this Ferrari 500 Mondial picture.It's a connection photo.Find another point that connects this picture to another thing.(To another car or pilot).
Pilot and Car : ;)
Well, let's try the same, but not connecting to any track... Cars #7 - Ferrari 500 Mondial and #8 - Ferrari 225S Spider Vignale and drivers on picture #3 - Alvaro and Aylton Varanda (they are brothers, aren't they?).
Yes! ;)
Quote from: João on January 22, 2011, 09:17:11 AM
QuoteThe photo of Car #13, an Alfa Romeo JK with Mário Olivetti (Pilot #7) standing beside it, was taken at the Circuito de Petrópolis in 1961; I'd connect them to Place #4, Belvedere of Petrópolis.
Right car,right pilot and wrong place.
I think I found it: place #6, Petrópolis in the 50s.
Another one solved! Nice ;)
Same place and same car :
Interlagos can also be connected with cars #15 - it is a 1958 race (mentioned in different sources as Prova Prefeito Ademar de Barros or as Preliminar do Torneio Triangular Sul-Americano). 250TR Ferraris are Celso Lara Barberis (#46) and Jose Gimenez Lopez (#82).
Celso Lara Barberis may well be the man #8, by the way...
Cars #16 are entries of the 13th GP Cidade do Rio de Janeiro, held at the Circuito da Gávea (Place #7) on 4 January 1954; this was the last time the famous street circuit hosted the event. It is pre-race favourite Chico Landi in his Ferrari 250 MM Vignale Spyder who shares the first row with the eventual winner, Swiss Maserati-driver Emmanuel de Graffenried (Landi, handicapped by a tyre problem, finished third), so I think I'm supposed to complete the thread with Pilot #6. (Browsing the entry list I found that at least three other pilots, seen elsewhere in the puzzle, came together at Gávea that day, but it was Landi alone whose car I was able to identify.)
Quote from: faksta on January 22, 2011, 03:55:09 PM
Interlagos can also be connected with cars #15 - it is a 1958 race (mentioned in different sources as Prova Prefeito Ademar de Barros or as Preliminar do Torneio Triangular Sul-Americano). 250TR Ferraris are Celso Lara Barberis (#46) and Jose Gimenez Lopez (#82).
Celso Lara Barberis may well be the man #8, by the way...
Yes,it's! Place : 30/11/1958 "Prova Prefeito Ademar de Barros", Interlagos.
Pilot : Celso Lara Barberis #8
Cars #15 : Ferrari 250 TR number #46 ( Third from left ) Chassis #0716.
Quote from: Ehhxekt on January 23, 2011, 12:31:19 PM
Cars #16 are entries of the 13th GP Cidade do Rio de Janeiro, held at the Circuito da Gávea (Place #7) on 4 January 1954; this was the last time the famous street circuit hosted the event. It is pre-race favourite Chico Landi in his Ferrari 250 MM Vignale Spyder who shares the first row with the eventual winner, Swiss Maserati-driver Emmanuel de Graffenried (Landi, handicapped by a tyre problem, finished third), so I think I'm supposed to complete the thread with Pilot #6. (Browsing the entry list I found that at least three other pilots, seen elsewhere in the puzzle, came together at Gávea that day, but it was Landi alone whose car I was able to identify.)
Yes! Nice
Place number #7 : 13th GP Cidade do Rio de Janeiro,Circuito da Gávea,1954.
Pilot Number #6 : Chico Landi
Cars #16 : Ferrari 250 MM Vignale Spyder
Joao, would you be so kind to create a list of identified places and cars?
:bump:
I'm preparing one,sorry :)
And here we go!
Solutions so far:
Place #1 : Autódromo de Interlagos, São Paulo, 1973.
Place #2 : Circuito Praia de Botafogo, Rio de Janeiro, 1956.
Place #3 : Autódromo Virgilio Távora, Fortaleza, Ceará, 1969.
Place #4 : Belvedere, Rio-Petrópolis Road, 1960s.
Place #5 : Maracanã Stadium, Rio de Janeiro, 1950.
Place #6 : Petrópolis, Rio de Janeiro, 1950s.
Place #7 : Circuito da Gávea, Rio de Janeiro, 1938.
Pilot #1 : Baron Manuel de Teffé von Hoonholtz
Pilot #2 : Roberto Marinho.
Pilot #3 : Alvaro and Aylton Varanda.
Pilot #4 : Pinheiro Pires.
Pilot #5 : Aguinaldo de Gois Filho.
Pilot #6 : Chico Landi.
Pilot #7 : Mário Olivetti.
Pilot #8 : Celso Lara Barberis.
Pilot #9 : Irineu Correa.
Pilot #10: Henrique Casini.
Pilot #11: Sérgio Bernardes.
Connections :
# Alvaro and Aylton Varanda.Brothers,racing with Ferraris. - Faksta (1 point)
# Pinheiro Pires following the Ferrari of Álvaro Varanda at Circuito da Quinta da Boa Vista. - Otto Puzzell (1 point)
Answers :
* Place #7 - Circuito da Gavea, car #3 - Stutz special and Jose Villafranca. - Faksta (3 points)
* Place #7 - Circuito da Gavea, car #2 - Ford V8 Special and Pilot #9 - Irineu Correa. - Faksta (3 points)
* Place #5 - Circuito do Maracanã, car #14 - Ferrari 225S Spyder Vignale and Pilot #11 - Sérgio Bernardes. - Ehhxekt (3 points)
* Place #4 - Belvedere at Rio-Petrópolis Road, car #1 - Voisin C20 and Pilot #2 - Roberto Marinho. - Ehhxekt (3 points)
* Place #2 - Circuito da Praia de Botafogo, car #9 - Ferrari 225S Spyder Vignale and Arthur de Souza Costa Filho. - Ehhxekt (3 points)
* Place #1 - Interlagos, car #5 - Ferrari 250TR #0606MM and Pilot #5 - Aguinaldo de Gois Filho. - Faksta (3 points)
* Place #6 - Petrópolis, car #13 - Alfa Romeo JK and Pilot #7 - Mário Olivetti. - Ehhxekt (3 points)
* Place #1 - Interlagos, car #15 - Ferrari 250 TR number #46 and Pilot #8 - Celso Lara Barberis. - Faksta (3 points)
* Place #7 - Circuito da Gavea, car #16 - Ferrari 250 MM Vignale and Pilot #6 - Chico Landi. - Ehhxekt (3 points)
Pilot 4 is Pinheiro Pires, driving car #6, Maserati chassis 3062, at Circuito da Barra da Tijuca, in 1958. In picture 7, he's seen following the Ferrari of Álvaro Varanda at Circuito da Quinta da Boa Vista
Quote from: Otto Puzzell on July 24, 2011, 09:29:21 AM
In picture 7, he's seen following the Ferrari of Álvaro Varanda at Circuito da Quinta da Boa Vista
Good! a connection ;) One point!
Pilot and car are right but no points for that.Sorry.
Back to the track guys!
UPDATE: the answers above.
I've been playing with this old puzzle, there are two pilots missing, I guess they are Julius Di Moraes pilot 1 with his famous Fiat S74 (known as Moraes car) car 2 and raced at Autódromo Internacional Virgílio Távora, Fortaleza, CE Brazil 1933. And
Henrique Casini pilot 10 with his Ferrari 250 MM car 11 and raced at Autódromo Internacional Virgílio Távora, Fortaleza, CE Brazil 1954
I think car #4 is an RLSS Alfa Romeo? I know I've seen this photo in a book, just have to remember where!
Quote from: Oguerrerob on July 21, 2012, 07:39:01 PM
I've been playing with this old puzzle, there are two pilots missing, I guess they are Julius Di Moraes pilot 1 with his famous Fiat S74 (known as Moraes car) car 2 and raced at Autódromo Internacional Virgílio Távora, Fortaleza, CE Brazil 1933. And
Henrique Casini pilot 10 with his Ferrari 250 MM car 11 and raced at Autódromo Internacional Virgílio Távora, Fortaleza, CE Brazil 1954
Thank you for reviving this old puzzle.
First pilot : wrong.
Second, pilot number 10 : right! it's Casini indeed. One pilot left guys..and one of the most important.
wrong connections Oguerrerob. Locked for you.
Quote from: Craig Gillingham on July 23, 2012, 08:19:28 AM
I think car #4 is an RLSS Alfa Romeo? I know I've seen this photo in a book, just have to remember where!
You're absolutely right! And its connection?
The missing pilot 1, I guess is Baron Manuel de Teffé von Hoonholtz (BR)? Place 7 At Circuito da Gávea, Rio de Janeiro 1936? car 4 driving RLSS Alfa Romeo (Alfa Romeo 8C 2300 2.3 S-8)?
The car 12 is Protótipo Torke-Maserati sometime driven by Fangio, sometime owned by (pilot 10) Henrique Casini, and raced at (place 3) Autódromo Virgilio Távora Fortaleza Ceara Brazil at the inaugural race in 1969
QuoteI think car #4 is an RLSS Alfa Romeo? I know I've seen this photo in a book, just have to remember where!
QuoteYou're absolutely right! And its connection?
That I don't know. I'm not familiar with either the Places or the Pilots. If I can find that RLSS photo again, it may have some information that could give me a clue.
I found the book with the picture of the Alfa, but it is a bit confusing, as it mentions RLSS, but later says that it is actually an RM Sport model. No mention of owner or place. I can see it has a number 9 attached to the windscreen post, and the car looks spotless and the occupants are well dressed. Is the car in an early concours event? if it was, I'd connect it to Place #3, just because it looks like a nice place to hold a concours.
Quote from: Craig Gillingham on July 25, 2012, 03:01:02 AM
I found the book with the picture of the Alfa, but it is a bit confusing, as it mentions RLSS, but later says that it is actually an RM Sport model. No mention of owner or place. I can see it has a number 9 attached to the windscreen post, and the car looks spotless and the occupants are well dressed. Is the car in an early concours event? if it was, I'd connect it to Place #3, just because it looks like a nice place to hold a concours.
In this case, it's just the automobile and the pilot. It's indeed a Concours d'Elegance and a RLSS.
QuoteThe missing pilot 1, I guess is Baron Manuel de Teffé von Hoonholtz (BR)? Place 7 At Circuito da Gávea, Rio de Janeiro 1936? car 4 driving RLSS Alfa Romeo?
Correct pilot and machine! But no points for that.
QuoteThe car 12 is Protótipo Torke-Maserati sometime driven by Fangio, sometime owned by (pilot 10) Henrique Casini, and raced at (place 3) Autódromo Virgilio Távora Fortaleza Ceara Brazil at the inaugural race in 1969
Correct car and place. Wrong pilot.
Moving to the Black Hole...