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Title: grob mystery 2016.01.31 (01) GDR selfbuilt BMW
Post by: grobmotorix on January 31, 2016, 10:40:53 AM
I do not have any information about this vehicle despite this:
GDR registration, probably built on a prewar BMW chassis.

Does anybody know what it might be and has some proof?
Title: Re: Grob mystery 2016.01.31 (01) GDR selfbuilt BMW
Post by: grobmotorix on February 18, 2016, 12:56:36 PM
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Title: Re: Grob mystery 2016.01.31 (01) GDR selfbuilt BMW
Post by: grobmotorix on February 29, 2016, 12:34:52 PM
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Title: Re: grob mystery 2016.01.31 (01) GDR selfbuilt BMW
Post by: grobmotorix on April 10, 2016, 02:26:19 AM
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Title: Re: grob mystery 2016.01.31 (01) GDR selfbuilt BMW
Post by: Hamburg-Automobilia on October 19, 2019, 08:40:56 PM
I'm sure the base is is an early IFA F9 from Zwickau production (maybe even DKW F9 prototype) and no BMW or EMW. Because of the B-pillar probably a convertible sedan. I can not find a photo of an so old F9 convertible sedan. Here's a photo of an early F9 sedan prototype. What do you think?
Title: Re: grob mystery 2016.01.31 (01) GDR selfbuilt BMW
Post by: Hamburg-Automobilia on October 19, 2019, 08:43:22 PM
I'm looking for a better photo than comparison!
Title: Re: grob mystery 2016.01.31 (01) GDR selfbuilt BMW
Post by: gte4289 on October 19, 2019, 10:50:15 PM
Quote from: Hamburg-Automobilia on October 19, 2019, 08:43:22 PM
I'm looking for a better photo than comparison!
I think it helps to try and look through the coachwork to the dimensions of the underlying chassis. This is an extremely crude comparison (especially with the cars at different angles), but I think it shows how much closer the puzzle car is to the pre-war BMW than to the IFA. This is especially apparent in the distance between the passenger compartment and the rear axle. Notice how the doors on both the puzzle car and the BMW have been shaped to allow for the rear wheel well and fender.
Title: Re: grob mystery 2016.01.31 (01) GDR selfbuilt BMW
Post by: Hamburg-Automobilia on October 20, 2019, 12:11:39 AM
Der kurze Radstand hatte mich auch gewundert. Für mich war besonders die Grundform der Kotflügel in Kombination mit dem Rahmen der Frontscheibe und dem DDR Kennzeichen ausschlaggebend an eine "abgeschnittene" frühe IFA F9 Cabrio-Limousine (die B-Säule sieht auch abgetrennt aus) zu denken. Ich kann natürlich auch völlig falsch liegen und suche am besten erst nochmal nach dem richtigem Foto zum Vergleich.
Title: Re: grob mystery 2016.01.31 (01) GDR selfbuilt BMW
Post by: Wendax on October 20, 2019, 02:39:49 AM
For our non-German speaking members:
"The short wheelbase had also surprised me. For me, the basic shape of the fenders, in combination with the frame of the windshield and the GDR license plate, was the main reason for thinking of a "chopped" early IFA F9 convertible sedan (the B-pillar also looks cut off). Of course I may be completely wrong and it is best to look again for the right photo for comparison."
Title: Re: grob mystery 2016.01.31 (01) GDR selfbuilt BMW
Post by: grobmotorix on October 20, 2019, 04:38:32 AM
Thank you Wendax.

Well, in my eyes also a tiny old Dixi or 3/20 could be the basis car as it is very short and narrow obviously.

But this still is all just speculation.

I hope someone will find a proven story for HK 54 - 97 one day.
Title: Re: grob mystery 2016.01.31 (01) GDR selfbuilt BMW
Post by: Hamburg-Automobilia on October 20, 2019, 08:22:07 AM
Thanks to Wendax to correct my answer! Unfortunately I had forgotten to answer in English!