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Title: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: grobmotorix on May 11, 2012, 12:59:48 PM
Who knows this car?

One point for the correct basis.

A second point for the correct coachbuilding company


I have not moved this to the "solved"-section, because I will award another point to anybody who can tell me the correct customer ( I don´t know him/her)
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: Craig Gillingham on May 11, 2012, 11:38:14 PM
Mercedes 16-50PS?
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: grobmotorix on May 12, 2012, 03:21:54 AM
It´s not enough to lock it for you, but you´re close...
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: Craig Gillingham on May 12, 2012, 03:32:47 PM
Mercedes 6/25 PS?
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: grobmotorix on May 12, 2012, 03:42:10 PM
No.
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: Craig Gillingham on May 12, 2012, 11:20:55 PM
16/45 PS?
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: grobmotorix on May 13, 2012, 12:00:25 AM
sorry, but no...
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: Craig Gillingham on May 13, 2012, 10:13:51 PM
Is it a 4 cylinder Mercedes?
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: grobmotorix on May 14, 2012, 01:16:40 AM
No, the engine has more cylinders.
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: Craig Gillingham on May 14, 2012, 03:00:31 AM
This car has me thrown, Mercedes-Knight 16/40 hp? It doesn't look like one of the larger Mercedes of the period.
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: grobmotorix on May 14, 2012, 04:50:03 AM
Well, the engine is larger than a 4-in-line, at least.

So are the numbers of its designation, of course... ;)
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: Craig Gillingham on May 14, 2012, 05:35:56 AM
ok, I can see it's chain drive, so a 25/65 would match up, and the bonnet is the same, but that's still a 4 cylinder.

Would I be right in assuming it's a pre WW1 car, that has been rebodied in the 20? is there a limit to how many questions I can ask?
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: grobmotorix on May 14, 2012, 06:12:42 AM
Just ask... :D

Well, my source tells it has an even bigger 6-in-line-engine than that of your last guess.

So carry on and you´ll solve it completely I´m sure.
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: Craig Gillingham on May 14, 2012, 06:30:59 PM
Well, there are only a couple of possible models left, a 1910-12 28/50 PS? but that body, to me, looks like it was made in the early 20's.
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: grobmotorix on May 15, 2012, 01:28:03 AM
This chassis series has been built from 1914-1924...
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: Craig Gillingham on May 15, 2012, 02:48:47 AM
That makes it easy, a 28/95PS.
Title: Re: grob 2012_05_11 (03)
Post by: grobmotorix on May 15, 2012, 04:44:48 AM
Your point.

Another point for anybody who may be able to tell me the correct coachbuilding company that manufactured this sophisticated aluminium body for an exotic customer...
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with bodywork by ?
Post by: grobmotorix on June 19, 2012, 04:47:24 PM
An easy expert´s point.
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with bodywork by ?
Post by: RayTheRat on June 19, 2012, 08:50:38 PM
Was it built for Indian/Pakistani royalty (Maharaja, Sultan, etc)?

RtR
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with bodywork by ?
Post by: grobmotorix on June 20, 2012, 02:49:47 AM
Yes, but I don´t know the specific customer´s name.
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with bodywork by ?
Post by: RayTheRat on June 20, 2012, 12:04:24 PM
German coachbuilder?
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with bodywork by ?
Post by: grobmotorix on June 20, 2012, 01:30:06 PM
Yes, and not too obscure, really.
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with bodywork by ?
Post by: RayTheRat on June 20, 2012, 04:19:34 PM
Sindelfingen?
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with bodywork by ?
Post by: grobmotorix on June 20, 2012, 06:23:51 PM
No, but you´re close...
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with bodywork by ?
Post by: RayTheRat on June 20, 2012, 09:25:37 PM
Well, let's see here.  The closest coachbuilder to Sindelfingen seems to be Wendler in Reutlingen, 42 km away.  I found a couple more in the neighborhood, but I'll restrain myself and do one at a time.  :)

RtR
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with bodywork by Reutter for????
Post by: grobmotorix on June 21, 2012, 01:46:25 AM
Much closer than Reutlingen, but not in Zuffenhausen...
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with bodywork by ?
Post by: RayTheRat on June 21, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
Reutter (Stuttgart) is a lot closer to Sindelfingen...about 18 km from it, I think.

RtR
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with bodywork by ?
Post by: grobmotorix on June 22, 2012, 01:30:11 AM
And that´s it. Congrats! Your point.

Reutter was even closer to Untertürkheim than 18 km before they´ve moved to the Zuffenhausen plant in 1937 (they were bought by Porsche in 1963).


I will not move this to the "solved"-section, because I will award another point to anybody who can tell me the correct customer ( I don´t know him/her)
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with bodywork by ?
Post by: João on June 22, 2012, 08:26:36 AM
I have another picture :

Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with bodywork by ?
Post by: Wendax on June 22, 2012, 08:29:36 AM
Unfortunately the book doesn't tell the customer.  :(
The puzzle picture was taken at the 1921 automobile exhibition in Berlin.
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: guido66 on June 22, 2012, 05:22:53 PM
I had this car in my archive to post as a puzzle one day. My source claims that it cost 350,000 Mark and that the bodywork was covered in gold and enamel.  :o
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: Manuel on June 22, 2012, 05:33:48 PM

Do the markings on the body mean anything?

Manuel in Oz
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: Wendax on June 22, 2012, 05:40:37 PM
Quote from: guido66 on June 22, 2012, 05:22:53 PM
I had this car in my archive to post as a puzzle one day. My source claims that it cost 350,000 Mark and that the bodywork was covered in gold and enamel.  :o
The Reutter book just describes it as a chased aluminium body.
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: guido66 on June 22, 2012, 06:11:07 PM
Quote from: Manuel on June 22, 2012, 05:33:48 PM

Do the markings on the body mean anything?

Manuel in Oz
'

Here's a more detailed view for you to study  ;)
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: grobmotorix on June 23, 2012, 01:57:21 AM
It must have been a nightmare to maintain the surface in such a perfect state.

I wonder if they´ve coated it with transparent paint.

But it is over the top craftmenship, of course.
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: grobmotorix on June 27, 2012, 10:36:53 AM
Let´s dump this down into the black hole.

I do not move this to the solved section until I know, who was the buyer back then.
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: 4popoid on July 12, 2015, 09:03:28 PM
While prowling the Black Hole, I came across this piece of art that I decided to spend a bit of time on.  The results of this research are mixed, in that I have a buyer, but the source does not cite a specific name, nor specific nationality.  It is probably not enough for the point, but my reference says (according to the Google translation): " After the fair was sold the car, or artwork, to an Arab customer."
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: grobmotorix on July 13, 2015, 02:51:00 PM
Right, but that is not a name, sorry... :(
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: pnegyesi on March 03, 2016, 08:58:30 AM
was it to someone in Egypt?
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: grobmotorix on March 03, 2016, 11:38:40 AM
I do not know, sorry... :-\
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: pnegyesi on March 03, 2016, 02:14:56 PM
I checked both Allgemeine Automobil Zeitung (German edition) and Motor. The car was described but no customer info :(
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: thorax on March 15, 2016, 10:11:53 AM
found on the web:
"At the auto show in Berlin in 1921 was this car in the Mercedes stand.

The body was a work, or rather works by Reutter, and was built entirely in aluminum. Then the tomb was the unpainted body laboriously in an extreme art nouveau and should be brought a lot of attention. After the fair sold the car, or artwork to an Arab customer, the prize read the full 26,000 Reichsmarks, in today's money equivalent to about 3.5 million."

nothing about the name of the customer
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: grobmotorix on March 16, 2016, 06:26:00 PM
Well, that is exactly what I want to know.

As I do not know it myself it would be great to find somebody who can provide any more information about this fabulous car...
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: pnegyesi on October 12, 2016, 08:47:01 AM
Automobil-Flugwelt: picture yes, description no
Title: Re: Mercedes 28/95 with phaeton bodywork by Reutter for ???
Post by: grobmotorix on October 12, 2016, 12:53:07 PM
 :-\

It would definitly be interesting to know some details about the customer...