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Here you are a different kind of puzzle.
Try to identify this car.
If you want to play fair, find the answer the old fashioned way.
If you want to cheat, you can easily find it via Google Image Search, 1st page.
If you are dumb, here's the answer: - Abarth 1000 Burkert & Planer -, (right click and copy to read it.)
it's a game, if you like to play it go on!
(BTW: if you know the car, don't be afraid to answer immediately! ;D )
Wow!
mock-up study Corvette?
Not that...
USA?
Alfa-Romeo?
Quote from: Allemano on September 21, 2011, 01:13:14 PM
USA?
This car was not built in the USA and it's not an Alfa Romeo.
...and it's not a mock-up.
This is the same car!
amazingly similar...I have a front view and it's really close...but I suspect it's different.
I'll post the front view later.
Quote from: Paul Jaray on September 21, 2011, 01:55:54 PM
amazingly similar...I have a front view and it's really close...but I suspect it's different.
I'll post the front view later.
With those same strange "eyelids" and intakes? This should be the same car! ???
OK, Limo please give me some details and I'll tell you why it can't be...
Quote from: Allemano on September 21, 2011, 02:00:43 PM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on September 21, 2011, 01:55:54 PM
amazingly similar...I have a front view and it's really close...but I suspect it's different.
I'll post the front view later.
With those same strange "eyelids" and intakes? This should be the same car! ???
...and when I'll post the front view you'll see that even the shape of the interior seems the same (steering wheel and boxy dashboard)!
Front view:
it must be the same car, look at the shape of the door.
At least three are built. The pictures are taken in Liechtenstein, Spring 1966.
Limo, it can't be the same according to my info, that I'm glad to share, but I'd like to know more about your guess...which car is that?
...but it can't be a coincidence!
I have a pic of a side view and it's just like that... :-\
I'll post it shortly and you'll see why I thought it can't be the same...
I don't know, i am trying to find the solution for years and i wrote an article about it, i always thought it was a Jehle prototype because the pictures were taken in Liechtenstein and it has a fliptop construction, just like the Jehle Saphier. But i guess it's not a Jehle, right?
OK, this is the side view of this car, when it was presented in 2008!
Thrilling puzzle! :thumbsup:
...and if you'll knew the rest!
OK, obviously Limo found out something VERY interesting...I'd like to share my info but it's against the rule so...c'mon solve this mistery.
Few questions will put you on the right way...I'll add the hard part.
As you obscured the rims... Are they distinctive for a special make?
Definetly...these plus the color...
a European make?
Yes...
Italian?
Yes...quite known...
still active?
I know it's based on a Fiat, that's what my source says.
Quote from: Limo on September 21, 2011, 04:37:00 PM
I know it's based on a Fiat, that's what my source says.
Then we have a match...but it's not badged as a Fiat...
based on a Fiat 850?
Not Fiat... Abarth?
could be abarth or lombardi
Abarth it is...these's a number after...bigger than 850...
Abarth 1000?
...and this was the easiest part:
...but before you tell me, it's not an official product, of course and it's not from Italy.
Just tell me the event for the point and I'll share what I found.
Wow, what a beauty!
i don't think it's an official abarth, because these stickers are put on it in 2008. Not visible on the original car.
The original designers/construcors are still a mystery.
Quote from: Paul Jaray on September 21, 2011, 04:47:22 PM
...but before you tell me, it's not an official product, of course and it's not from Italy.
Just tell me the event for the point and I'll share what I found.
;)
Event was hosted in Italy?
fachschule munchen restauration presentation
I hope you did not use GoogleImageSearch and I really would like to know how did you find it...but you are correct, of course.
I'll post here the few lines on that web page:
Im Rahmen der diesjährigen Vernissage zeigten die Schüler der Technikerklasse im Schwerpunkt
Gestaltung an der Städtischen Fachschule für Farb- und Lacktechnik in München ihre
Semesterarbeiten zum Thema ,,Weiß?Surprise!".
Dabei ging es darum, sich mit der Farbe Weiß zu beschäftigen. Als Aufgabenstellung musste eine
Raumsituation geschaffen werden, die ein Wechselspiel mit Licht, Schatten und Struktur im weißen
Erscheinungsbild aufweist. Die Schüler zeigten sich sehr kreativ und entwickelten vielfältige
Gestaltungslösungen. Im folgenden eine kurze Beschreibung der Arbeiten:
Die beiden Schüler Falk Burkert und Pattrick Planer zeigten als ,,Surprise!" die komplette
Restaurierung eines Fiat Abarth aus dem Jahre 1956 in leuchtendem Rot. Die aus GFK gefertigte
Karosserie wurde lacktechnisch vollständig neu aufgebaut. Entsprechend der historischen Vorlage
wurden Schriftzug und Signet eingearbeitet. Präsentiert wurde das formschöne Auto passend zum
Thema in einer weißen Umgebung.
Is 1956 not a little early for a car like this? Where is the historical story behind the student project?
And yes, even for Germans it would have been incredible hard to find....
I hope the 'fair play required' note has been recognized....
I used google, only after you already told us it was an Abarth.
No point for the event, that's okay.
But, the event doesn't say anything about who built/designed this car...
The students didn't built it, only restored it, and the Abarth stickers are probably just for show reasons.
BTW, I found my pictures years ago in a magazine, but the magazine didn't mention a make, only that it was 1966 fiat based.
Where did these students find the car? Who built/designed it?? Lombardi?
Quote from: Limo on September 22, 2011, 07:33:59 AM
I used google, only after you already told us it was an Abarth.
No point for the event, that's okay.
But, the event doesn't say anything about who built/designed this car...
The students didn't built it, only restored it, and the Abarth stickers are probably just for show reasons.
BTW, I found my pictures years ago in a magazine, but the magazine didn't mention a make, only that it was 1966 fiat based.
Where did these students find the car? Who built/designed it?? Lombardi?
Very generous!!! :noid:
Limo,
first of all I have a certain respect that you are honest enough to admit cheating in this case. Thanks for that!
It's okay when you are using GoogleImageSearch for your private use and of course it's okay when you use it here if you privately want to know the ID of a car, but please do NOT answer then, it's not fair and unsportmanslike and a complete killjoy! Especially considering Paul Jaray's initial post!
The puzzle was about to declared as solved not until the event should have been guessed.
I'm seriousely thinking about banning you from my own posted puzzles from now on! :-\
And I'm going to ask from time to time every puzzler exactly how he/she has solved my puzzles via PM.
Apologize for that, but we can't go on like that!
Limo, I have to agree with Allemano.
To use GoogleImageSearch and answer to get the point is not forbidden like is not forbidden to play chess with a 3-year old kid...it's an unwritten rule we all feel obliged to respect.
I'd like to know more about this car...I'll leave it open for a while and I'll decide about the points.
Now, Limo gave us a nice trail to follow...who can solve this mistery? Limo, can you share your source or report the article?
Okay, Sorry Jaray and Allemano, you guys are completely right. As i said, i wrote an article about the mystery of this car and as soon as this puzzle was solved, i wanted to check if this was really an Abarth. I shouldn't have posted the event, but didn't realise it was a serious part of the puzzle. I thought we were all interested in the origins of cars, not the context of a specific picture. Sorry for that.
BTW: Before this puzzle I didn't even know google images existed...
@Paul Jaray: I found the car in a 1966 french car magazine, i think it was called "L'autojournal".
Three cars were running through the streets of Liechtenstein.
The dashboard looks very Lombardi Grand-Prix...
I'll keep you posted about the article around this car.
Let's hope some of our German-speaking friends is able to get in contact with Falk Burkert or Pattrick Planer, students at the Fachschule Muenchen and ask for more....
::)
Hmmm, so even writing the Heading as you did and making the rules of this puzzle 100% clear it still didn't do the trick PJ...
There's begginning to be a serious case for asking the Puzzle Solver always to declare how it was solved, perhaps by PM...
I'm finding far too many of my puzzles being solved in minutes..
Not my problem.
I set the game, the players choose how they prefer to play it.
I believe Limo was sincere when He said it was the 1st time and I'm sure He realizes that there's no fun this way.
...but I believe you're right, asking how they did found a forgotten webpage without any clue will spot the cheaters.
Back to the game!
;)
Did Limo say that he used Google Search or that he used the wrong trick? Theoretically he could use the image search of google. I believe there is a difference?
Quote from: DeAutogids on September 22, 2011, 09:53:19 AM
Did Limo say that he used Google Search or that he used the wrong trick? Theoretically he could use the image search of google. I believe there is a difference?
Well I initially read it that he just Googled (as we all do..) in which case there's nothing to apologise for but then since he apologised later I assumed he meant he actually used Google Image Serach!
Malaya?
I did not even solve the identity of the car... Allemano did, so he earns the point. Problem solved.
I was looking for the event Jaray was talking about with the help of images, but it had nothing to do with the initial puzzle, because it was already solved by Allemano.
Quote from: roger on September 22, 2011, 11:11:42 AM
Malaya?
Sorry roger,I overlooked your question....but I don't know a single line more than what I wrote.
1 point goes to Allemano who found out the name given to this car by the 2 students.
1 point will go to Limo once the mistery will be finally solved because he found the Liechtenstein trail.
1 point still remains for the real story behind this car.
I'll award the 1st point now, move it into the Black Hole and wait...
Will try to do some further research.
The same prototype ,powered by Fiat in 1966 :
Is there anyone who is able to find the rest of it?
Falk Burkert and Pattrick Planer, students at the Fachschule Muenchen, where are you?
Who knows more about this sport car?
I know the country, the basis car and maybe the correct name.
There were at least three of them built.
And I have a feeling it could be a repost...
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I've just seen this car but I don't remember where :-\
Coupé with Fiat base (850 ? ) seen in Liechtenstein in the 60's!
This is definitly the car - only it is not enough for a point.
So this is LOCKED for you to find out more.
3 of these cars were built at least .
Their name is maybe " Dab "
Do you have any proof?
limande =dab
Now this is a hard decision - you have found the same magazine clipping as me obviously.
The problem I have is that I think "Limande" is more a general description of the design rather than a name.
The car is from Liechtenstein, where they speak German.
French "Limande" = English "dab / flounder" = German "Flunder"
Only I doubt the name was "Flunder" - this is a common name for every low sitting sports car.
However, this is not pro level, so I give the point as you have found the car.
Still we need a prooved name for this one, so I will promote this puzzle.
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I awarded SACO one point for having found the car and my source.
Noiw we still have one point to go for those three cars from tiny Liechtenstein...
the car survives... ;)
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/the-black-hole/pj-405-mysterious-'abarth-1000'-restored-by-falk-burkert-pattrick-planer/
Oh, I search for the original in the Expert´s section.
Thanks to Paul Jaray who found out about it.
As the origin is still not known, that´s all I have:
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/professional-autopuzzles/grob-2017-06-18-(02)/new/?topicseen#new
And we still do not know about its real origins, or do you? ;)
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I believe it's time to bump this!
Made by M. Gruber, Autospenglerei??
Also found some weird name "Dynaero"...
Whatever it is -- I absolutely love the shape!
Me too...