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Title: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on June 09, 2011, 05:34:24 AM
A new group puzzle with five coachbuilt cars.
I don't know the coachbuilders and in some of them I don't know also other infos, so:

UC1a : one point for make, model and coachbuilder - Castagna Alfa Romeo 6C 2300B - 75america
UC1b : one point for make, model and coachbuilder. I think this is a car with a complex story... - Alfa Romeo 6C 2500 SS restored by Juri Aljoshin - Wendax
UC1c : I have a make and model (and coachbuilder) which I believe not true: one point for them but another point if you can give me proofs this is or this is not the correct ID of that car! - Alfa Romeo 3000 SS by Carrozzeria Amadei (??) - 75america
UC1d : one point for make, model and coachbuilder - Bugatti T49 by Pritchard & Demollin - fromwien
UC1e : one point for make, model and coachbuilder
An additional point if you can say where and when all the pics were shooted...

The puzzle isn't solved until I have all the coachbuilders!!!
Obviously I need proofs to give you the points...
MPC
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on June 14, 2011, 06:49:55 AM
I think this is a little difficult for rookies, and I move up early...
I hope nobody would blame me for it...
MPC
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: SACO on June 14, 2011, 07:00:09 AM
UC1e  :Siata Amica 1939?
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: SACO on June 14, 2011, 07:11:12 AM
UC1b : Alfa 6C2500 SS Touring ?
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on June 14, 2011, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: SACO on June 14, 2011, 07:00:09 AM
UC1e  :Siata Amica 1939?
As I said before I don't know the cars, so you should prove it.
The year is correct so I locked it for you until your next reply.
Quote from: SACO on June 14, 2011, 07:11:12 AM
UC1b : Alfa 6C2500 SS Touring ?
OK, the original body should be Touring, but I think the front of this car is something different...
Locked for you until your next reply.
MPC
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: D-type on June 14, 2011, 11:57:55 AM
The badge on the radiator of uc1b looks diamond-shaped.  Riley?  If so it could be that rather special Riley built in France either immediately before or after WW2.
Just a feeling.
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: als15 on June 14, 2011, 01:33:46 PM
UC1e is a ------------------------------

sorry: it's still locked.
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: als15 on June 14, 2011, 01:38:40 PM
UC1a should be a 1938 Fiat 1500 with Viotti body and a later rebuilt front-end. Probably refurbished after a post-war accident.
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on June 15, 2011, 06:47:56 AM
Quote from: als15 on June 14, 2011, 01:38:40 PM
UC1a should be a 1938 Fiat 1500 with Viotti body and a later rebuilt front-end. Probably refurbished after a post-war accident.

I have another make...
...and another year...
MPC
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: als15 on June 15, 2011, 07:05:09 AM
UC1c is a Fiat 1900 by Colli?
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on June 15, 2011, 08:11:56 AM
Quote from: als15 on June 15, 2011, 07:05:09 AM
UC1c is a Fiat 1900 by Colli?

Different make also for this...but as I said I don't know the cars for sure!
MPC
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on June 16, 2011, 04:53:24 AM
Quote from: Iluvatar on June 14, 2011, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: SACO on June 14, 2011, 07:00:09 AM
UC1e  :Siata Amica 1939?
As I said before I don't know the cars, so you should prove it.
The year is correct so I locked it for you until your next reply.
Quote from: SACO on June 14, 2011, 07:11:12 AM
UC1b : Alfa 6C2500 SS Touring ?
OK, the original body should be Touring, but I think the front of this car is something different...
Locked for you until your next reply.
Last call for SACO.
You have 24h until I unlock the puzzles.
MPC
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on June 17, 2011, 11:40:37 AM
The puzzle is now unlocked.
als15 if you want to say what UC1e is...
MPC
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: SACO on June 29, 2011, 04:36:18 PM
UC1e :Siata Amica 1939 Bertone !
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: als15 on June 29, 2011, 06:35:12 PM
Quote from: SACO on June 29, 2011, 04:36:18 PM
UC1e :Siata Amica 1939 Bertone !
??? I'm not sure: many parts are quite similar, but the nose is definitely different. Perhaps a poor repairing after a small accident?
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on June 30, 2011, 03:34:49 AM
Quote from: als15 on June 29, 2011, 06:35:12 PM
Quote from: SACO on June 29, 2011, 04:36:18 PM
UC1e :Siata Amica 1939 Bertone !
??? I'm not sure: many parts are quite similar, but the nose is definitely different. Perhaps a poor repairing after a small accident?
I'm not really sure about the poor repairing...the car in the picture is at an Elegance Concours, so I think it's something more then poor...but everything is possible...
MPC
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on July 01, 2011, 06:06:24 AM
I'm going away for a while...
You can do every discussion you want on these cars, and when I'll be back I'll see...
MPC
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: SACO on July 08, 2011, 04:20:53 AM
UC1d : Bugatti T49 1931 .
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on July 13, 2011, 09:52:17 AM
Quote from: SACO on July 08, 2011, 04:20:53 AM
UC1d : Bugatti T49 1931 .
Type 49 is correct, I don't know the year...
...now let's go with the coachbuilder...
MPC
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on July 30, 2011, 03:06:00 PM
Up to the pros...
MPC
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Wendax on July 30, 2011, 03:15:21 PM
#1b: It is an Alfa Romeo 8 C 2500 SS, which was found with a destroyed body in Russia. It was rebuild by Juri Aljoshin using old photos.
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: woodinsight on July 30, 2011, 03:50:47 PM
Just to add a little to Wendax's reply above, here is a photo of the car and an extract from an article on classic cars in Moscow.
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: 75america on July 31, 2011, 03:55:52 AM
It was me who posted UC1c on that other interesting forum:
Alfa Romeo 3000 SS (???) by Carrozzeria Amadei
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: 75america on July 31, 2011, 04:02:36 AM
UC1a: Alfa is a 6C2300B by Castagna
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on July 31, 2011, 05:16:13 AM
Quote from: Wendax on July 30, 2011, 03:15:21 PM
#1b: It is an Alfa Romeo 8 C 2500 SS, which was found with a destroyed body in Russia. It was rebuild by Juri Aljoshin using old photos.
Although a 8C 2500 SS never exist (it's most likely a 6C 2500), I give you the point...
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on July 31, 2011, 05:18:36 AM
Quote from: 75america on July 31, 2011, 04:02:36 AM
UC1a: Alfa is a 6C2300B by Castagna

Correct!!
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Wendax on July 31, 2011, 05:22:36 AM
Quote from: Wendax on July 30, 2011, 03:15:21 PM
8 C 2500 SS
:bag:

Thank you for the point.
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on July 31, 2011, 05:23:19 AM
Quote from: 75america on July 31, 2011, 03:55:52 AM
It was me who posted UC1c on that other interesting forum:
Alfa Romeo 3000 SS (???) by Carrozzeria Amadei
The first point is yours...but this mistery car is still open:
Quote from: Iluvatar on June 09, 2011, 05:34:24 AM
UC1c : I have a make and model (and coachbuilder) which I believe not true: one point for them but another point if you can give me proofs this is or this is not the correct ID of that car!
MPC
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on July 31, 2011, 05:24:19 AM
Quote from: Wendax on July 31, 2011, 05:22:36 AM
Quote from: Wendax on July 30, 2011, 03:15:21 PM
8 C 2500 SS
:bag:

Thank you for the point.
Can you provide more infos on this car??
I think it was a Touring body...
MPC
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Wendax on July 31, 2011, 05:29:07 AM
I just know it from the very magazine article woodinsight posted, sorry.
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: João on August 10, 2011, 11:53:54 AM
The Bugatti it's from 1931.

Former owner : Reiffers (L)

I believe it was bodied by Van den Plas -Belgium.I know it's not the same pattern but...

Another picture and a 1931 Delage to compare :
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: João on August 10, 2011, 12:34:56 PM
Ex Touring Cabriolet : Another picture
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on August 20, 2011, 03:54:18 AM
Quote from: João on August 10, 2011, 11:53:54 AM
The Bugatti it's from 1931.

Former owner : Reiffers (L)

I believe it was bodied by Van den Plas -Belgium.
I have another country, but not sure at all...
MPC
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: woodinsight on May 10, 2012, 01:46:14 PM
UC1e - Dyna Panhard based?
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on May 10, 2012, 05:38:32 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on May 10, 2012, 01:46:14 PM
UC1e - Dyna Panhard based?
earlier for sure...
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: pguillem on August 08, 2012, 10:33:15 PM
UC1e bodied by Garavini ?
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on August 09, 2012, 01:47:15 PM
Quote from: pguillem on August 08, 2012, 10:33:15 PM
UC1e bodied by Garavini ?
If you can prove it...
I don't know...
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on October 27, 2013, 07:53:57 AM
Amadei Alfa Romeo 3000 SS...
During my research for Alfa Romeo "fuoriserie" I've found the article about the Alfa 3000 by Amadei-Feliciangeli...
I post it... it looks like this is really a special one-off home-built Alfa, built on a 3000cc chassis (??)...
Maybe the car was based on a 2500SS chassis (the wheelbase is indeed short...) but this is quite a mistery... or maybe it had a nodified engine? Or it was a real 3000CM chassis which in some way was puchased by mr. Feliciangeli??  ???
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: mekubb on August 04, 2014, 04:20:41 PM
UC1e looks pretty much like a 1939 Siata Amica 500 by Bertone, see enclosed pic for comparison.
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on August 05, 2014, 02:23:48 PM
Quote from: mekubb on August 04, 2014, 04:20:41 PM
UC1e looks pretty much like a 1939 Siata Amica 500 by Bertone, see enclosed pic for comparison.
Similar... indeed... but doubtless another car... so who knows if it's Bertone too??
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: galrot on October 09, 2016, 07:40:02 AM
Quote from: Iluvatar on October 27, 2013, 07:53:57 AM
Amadei Alfa Romeo 3000 SS...
During my research for Alfa Romeo "fuoriserie" I've found the article about the Alfa 3000 by Amadei-Feliciangeli...
I post it... it looks like this is really a special one-off home-built Alfa, built on a 3000cc chassis (??)...
Maybe the car was based on a 2500SS chassis (the wheelbase is indeed short...) but this is quite a mistery... or maybe it had a nodified engine? Or it was a real 3000CM chassis which in some way was puchased by mr. Feliciangeli??  ???

Some better pictures have appeared of this car. It appears to be based on a 6C 2500 by Touring.
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on October 10, 2016, 06:06:40 AM
Great thank you! The grille it's indeed Mercedes...
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Wendax on February 24, 2025, 07:54:41 AM
Moved from the Masters
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: fromwien on March 10, 2025, 12:18:23 PM
Some more informations to UC1e
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: fromwien on March 10, 2025, 12:31:18 PM
UC1d :
Bugatti T49 by Pritchard & Demollin, Belgium, 1930
Title: Re: Unknown Coachbuilders #1
Post by: Iluvatar on May 19, 2025, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: fromwien on March 10, 2025, 12:31:18 PM
UC1d :
Bugatti T49 by Pritchard & Demollin, Belgium, 1930
Great, the point is yours!