Barrett's Headscratchers - Solved!

SACO · July 23, 2011, 02:03:44 AM

I found DKW in "Autolexikon-Thyssen"and I don't speak German !

barrett · July 23, 2011, 10:21:29 AM

Cool - can one of our German speakers confirm this is another car built by students of the Karosseriebaufachschule Kaiserslautern (called a slightly different name there but I assume the same place?)

Allemano · July 23, 2011, 10:56:04 AM

I have a list of unidentified cars of the Karosseriebaufachschule Kaiserslautern, but couldn't find this one, yet.

barrett · July 23, 2011, 11:43:52 AM

Ok

In the meantime I'm going to move this one up as it is getting a lot of attention!

Allemano · July 23, 2011, 11:46:10 AM

#7 is from the Karosseriebaufachschule Kaiserslautern as well. If it's Borgward powered I don't know, but I guess it's more likely (VW?) rear engined.

Allemano · July 23, 2011, 11:56:39 AM

and..

barrett · July 23, 2011, 12:24:32 PM

Excellent photos.

As mentioned in my PM this seems to confirm that #5 is also the work of the Karosseriebaufachschule Kaiserslautern as well. I agree #7 looks to be VW based. I think a shot of the interior would probably confirm this!

Allemano · July 23, 2011, 12:29:42 PM

I've definetely seen #4 somewhere before.

woodinsight · July 24, 2011, 03:24:13 AM

#4 - Allard built for the lawyer of Christine Keeler.
If I remember my source didn't mention the coachbuilder but I'll continue my search.

#6 - I would guess this is based on a Jowett Jupiter but no idea on the coachbuilder yet.

Allemano · July 24, 2011, 03:32:12 AM

back view of #4

still can't find the source of the puzzle pic. $:-\$

barrett · July 24, 2011, 05:00:54 AM

Quote from: woodinsight on July 24, 2011, 03:24:13 AM
#4 - Allard built for the lawyer of Christine Keeler.
If I remember my source didn't mention the coachbuilder but I'll continue my search.

The proportions and general look suggested Allard to me, thanks for confirming it

Quote#6 - I would guess this is based on a Jowett Jupiter but no idea on the coachbuilder yet.

I believe this is a Jupiter yes, possibly Dutch coachwork going by the reg plate.

woodinsight · July 27, 2011, 10:47:12 AM

Regarding #4, this Allard was designed by Michael Eddowes, the lawyer involved in the Profumo Affair where he represented Christine Keeler. He also wrote several books including The Man on your Conscience, about the trial of Timothy Evans and John Christie and The Oswald File about the Kennedy assassination.

The coachbuilder of this car is unknown but may have been by a firm such as Fox & Nicholl who were responsible for some early Healeys, the aerodynamic HRG and a prototype Frazer Nash 420 open two-seater.
I haven't been able to find anything more positive at the moment.

barrett · August 13, 2011, 01:28:14 PM

Sorry for the late response, I must've missed this one. I think that answer is enough to award you a point!

woodinsight · August 13, 2011, 02:42:14 PM

Quote from: barrett on August 13, 2011, 01:28:14 PM
Sorry for the late response, I must've missed this one. I think that answer is enough to award you a point!

I look forward to receiving it..

Carnut · September 06, 2011, 10:44:23 AM

Quote from: barrett on July 18, 2011, 02:08:41 PM
Quote from: SACO on July 18, 2011, 01:43:02 PM
#8:Delettrez diesel ?

This is what I've heard it called, but I'm really not sure about that. Any evidence? I would like to know who the coachbuilder was too.

I have this car as having been built by Rene Dhoedt of Paris around 1949/51, although must say it looks a little later than that to me..

SACO · September 08, 2011, 02:18:03 AM

Unknownb#3

Suposed to have been made in the AK Miller garage by Gussenbauer (Walter?) in Long Beach, CA for the 1954 La Carrera Pan American. Then went to The Philippines to race, then back to the US. Joe Alphabet in CA then owned the car for a while.

Carnut · September 08, 2011, 05:17:19 AM

Quote from: Carnut on September 06, 2011, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: barrett on July 18, 2011, 02:08:41 PM
Quote from: SACO on July 18, 2011, 01:43:02 PM
#8:Delettrez diesel ?

This is what I've heard it called, but I'm really not sure about that. Any evidence? I would like to know who the coachbuilder was too.

I have this car as having been built by Rene Dhoedt of Paris around 1949/51, although must say it looks a little later than that to me..

Sorry, I see I'm not the first (or even the second!) to proffer this information...

Siata1 · September 08, 2011, 06:00:54 AM

# 8: Delettrez Diesel and body by René Dhoedt/Paris are correct.
Picture was taken at the Enghien concours d'elegance 1956 and shows Colette Duval (parachutiste, stock-car-driver) and Gil Delamare (Cascadeur).

woodinsight · September 08, 2011, 10:39:51 AM

Just to confirm SACO's observation on #3.
It was I believe, built by Walt Gussenbauer in 1954 and known as the Gussenbauer Special.

An unrestored photo of the car -

barrett · September 08, 2011, 10:52:40 AM

Excellent work guys, and it seems it has even featured here before.

By the way, points will be awarded at the end, for anyone wondering where their points are!

Just the supposed Jowett Jupiter left to be solved now!

faksta · September 08, 2011, 02:37:20 PM

If #2 is indeed what it is said to be on Wiki, the builder may well be Francesco Cifala himself. In 1957 he drove at Giro di Sicilia at the wheel of Fiat etceterini, which, I suppose, was also own built.

barrett · November 12, 2011, 11:15:03 AM

Well, I can now confirm for certain the the 'Jowett' is indeed a Jowett Jupiter and even have a name for the coachbuilders.

I'll move this into 'solved' and award points presently, well done everyone!

Final points:

SACO - 5

woodinsight - 2

Allemano - 1

Otto Puzzell · November 13, 2011, 06:26:36 AM

Quote from: woodinsight on September 08, 2011, 10:39:51 AM
Just to confirm SACO's observation on #3.
It was I believe, built by Walt Gussenbauer in 1954 and known as the Gussenbauer Special.

An unrestored photo of the car -

One of our very first puzzles

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=69.msg279#msg279

DeAutogids · November 14, 2011, 09:07:34 AM

I might have the link between "Joy mobile" (mentioned somewhere in this puzzle) and Delettrez. Possibly this car?

A Dutch company called Washmobile Holland (from Hilversum) supposedly presented on the car show of Paris in 1954 a car that was developped by L. Workum of Washmobile and the brothers Delettrez. The car used a Delettrez diesel engine but the drive was through what I understand to be a kind of hydrostatic drive. Apparently both Delettrez and Washmobile did not have the means to develop this car into series production.

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