Solved - MJW #149 - CEEDEVE Stil 1970

woodinsight · December 07, 2010, 05:19:04 PM

I only have a name - so a point for that
perhaps another point for the complete spec/year/country, etc.

woodinsight · December 14, 2010, 01:15:33 PM

No response from the rookies. Up it goes.
By the way, that's not tartan trousers she's wearing - it's just the poor scan!

barrett · December 14, 2010, 01:32:35 PM

Annoying, I haven't been able to dig this one out yet... All I remember is that it is French and dates from approx. 1970-73. I'll have to do some long-winded searching to find it again but I know I have it somewhere!

woodinsight · December 14, 2010, 03:28:47 PM

I only have a name - not even the country.
If you have more info that would be much appreciated.

Paul Jaray · December 14, 2010, 03:44:59 PM

If you have the name, you should know the nationality...

woodinsight · December 14, 2010, 03:47:59 PM

perhaps........! but I'm not at all sure about it.

Oguerrerob · December 14, 2010, 06:35:24 PM

Same car but I've got no name

woodinsight · December 15, 2010, 03:39:05 AM

Barrett mentioned that he thought it was French.
The name I have seems to suggest that it may be Scandinavian - however I may be wrong (I frequently am

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Carnut · December 15, 2010, 05:10:18 AM

Quote from: Oguerrerob on December 14, 2010, 06:35:24 PM
Same car but I've got no name

Better trousers though...!

woodinsight · December 15, 2010, 07:57:18 AM

Paul Jaray · December 15, 2010, 10:02:04 AM

I don't think it will ever made it to the pro, but I'll add my info in case...

Oguerrerob · December 19, 2010, 02:10:55 PM

Toyota?

woodinsight · December 19, 2010, 02:23:33 PM

Not Toyota - I believe it's definitely European

woodinsight · December 20, 2010, 12:59:16 PM

Can the Pros finish this one off?

Djetset · December 20, 2010, 03:52:30 PM

This is an example of le Voiture Electronique by les Freres Jarret, current from c.1968 until 1975.

woodinsight · December 20, 2010, 04:15:46 PM

Djetset, I have little doubt that you are correct - I had it under a different name.
I may well be wrong in my assumption as my source (written material) was somewhat vague on this.
So - what to do - can you provide some evidence for your claim?
I'll lock it for you until your next reply

Paul Jaray · December 21, 2010, 02:47:16 AM

cmetisse · December 21, 2010, 07:22:18 AM

Djetset is on the right track !
The project of "La Voiture Electronique" was first shown at the 1968 Paris Motorshow. It was as far as I know the very first attempt to build an electric vehicle without any mechanical connection between controls and engines.
Two motor-wheels, a stick with sensors that can accelerate, brake or steer it by pushing or pulling it in all four directions. In fact, to steer it you'll just command difference of speed between the two motor-wheels, quite like a tank. The brains behind were Mr. Jean & Jacques Jarret.

This version was shown in 1970, it was named the Stil.
A big company "CEEDEVE" (Compagnie Europeenne d'Etudes et de Developpement de Vehicules Electroniques) was created with big investors like Alsthom or even Daimler AG, but the idea wasn't properly developed. The only 'serial' version, the Porquerolles was built in tiny numbers, but wasn't half as clever in spite of looking quite the same. The stick command the front wheel with linkage, the engines transmitted their power by chains...
In fact, the Jarret brothers very soon stepped out of the company who created it.
Still, the Porquerolles was I think one of the very rare vehicle sold to public without any steering wheel, handlebars nor pedals...

A friend of mine had the chance to find six prototypes of the true Voiture Electronique in a broker shop of Normandie, some 8 years ago !!

Paul Jaray · December 21, 2010, 07:49:25 AM

Quote from: woodinsight on December 20, 2010, 04:15:46 PM
Djetset, I have little doubt that you are correct - I had it under a different name.
I may well be wrong in my assumption as my source (written material) was somewhat vague on this.
So - what to do - can you provide some evidence for your claim?
I'll lock it for you until your next reply

cmetisse · December 21, 2010, 08:07:36 AM

Oh, sorry for that ! I've read too fastly...

woodinsight · December 21, 2010, 08:25:34 AM

That's put me in a bit of a quandary now as Djetset guessed the correct marque.
cmetisse has completed the answer by providing the name I had for it, but it was locked for Djetset to reply.

As it's the season of goodwill, I have no hesitation in awarding Djetset a point but will also give cmetisse a point for his very full answer and for revealing the name I had for it.
Be careful in future though cmetisse, other puzzlers may not be so lenient as me.
Always remember to read the threads carefully first before posting.

Anyway well done you both obviously knew the car and I'll move it to solved now.
I hope that other puzzlers will agree that this is the best solution.

cmetisse · December 21, 2010, 08:35:55 AM

Anyway, I think I don't deserve that point, as I know that Djetset would have find it.
He has an excellent knowledge of contemporary microcars, so I really think that second point belongs to him too !

Again, sorry for the bad timing of my answer !

woodinsight · December 21, 2010, 08:40:16 AM

No it's okay, Djetset got his point and I'm awarding you a point for your full reply including the history of this project.

Djetset · December 21, 2010, 04:45:21 PM

Been away from AutoPuzzles for 24 hours, and an awful lot seems to have developed! Thanks for the point Woodinsight.

When I return home home during the Christmas break (assuming I can make it through the snow) I will dig out some more information and pictures of the Jarret cars

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