Solved - NEH 3858: Toly Arutunoff's Cunningham C3

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Carnut

January 09, 2015, 08:52:24 AM Last Edit: February 02, 2015, 11:13:17 AM by Carnut
What's this, from when - for 1 point?:

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Carnut

#1
January 23, 2015, 05:08:29 AM
Experts?
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BERTRAND

#2
January 23, 2015, 06:19:15 AM
Argentina?

Carnut

#3
January 23, 2015, 06:27:55 AM
Quote from: BERTRAND on January 23, 2015, 06:19:15 AM
Argentina?

No.
I don't know a huge amount about this car despite efforts to find information.
I just have a name and date for it.
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BERTRAND

#4
January 23, 2015, 06:34:03 AM
I've supposed Cangiani, but I check my book now, and I find too much difference.  I've took a wrong way.

fyreline

#5
January 23, 2015, 11:51:56 AM
The "USA Racing Colors" paint scheme actually helped a lot - I was searching various sports car specials and found that this car is said to be a 1952 (or so) Cunningham C3 raced by Anotoly Arutunoff and Bill Pryor. Apparently Arutunoff owned the car. The story is that this was one of a number of Cunningham C3's that did not make it to Vignale for their "proper" bodies. It sure doesn't look like any other Cunningham I have ever seen.
"You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are NOT entitled to your own facts"

Carnut

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January 25, 2015, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: fyreline on January 23, 2015, 11:51:56 AM
The "USA Racing Colors" paint scheme actually helped a lot - I was searching various sports car specials and found that this car is said to be a 1952 (or so) Cunningham C3 raced by Anotoly Arutunoff and Bill Pryor. Apparently Arutunoff owned the car. The story is that this was one of a number of Cunningham C3's that did not make it to Vignale for their "proper" bodies. It sure doesn't look like any other Cunningham I have ever seen.

It is a Cunningham yes, but those headlights don't seem to me to belong to a 1953 car.
Any idea when it was bodied?
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fyreline

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January 25, 2015, 03:54:34 PM
Here's the only reference I could find concerning the styling - particularly the headlights:

"Longtime sportsman Toly Arutunoff owned a Cunningham with a body reminiscent of a C2R but with quad headlites rimmed by hardware from an early Corvair or Lark. It was most likely a C3 road car that had missed the boat to Vignale for their rather dated and dowdy coachwork, or a rebody on a scrapper. I had photo reference of it (now unavailable) and believe it also had the soft top of an early Aston Martin. As Toly was a collector of orphans and not too concerned about "flipping" them for a quick buck, I trusted that he was not inventing stories to cover its (lack of) provenance."

That doesn't give much of a frame of reference for when the car was (re)bodied, and in any case you didn't originally ask that. I'm not sure I agree with the writer's assessment of the headlight hardware coming from a Corvair or Lark, but that would put the rebody in the early 1960s.
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Carnut

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January 27, 2015, 03:30:34 PM
You've got the gist of what this is, though I had a later date for what it's reckoned to be; whether it is or not though I really can't say with certainty..

I'm away this week without my files though so can't give you your point and move this until I'm back next week; please be patient!
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fyreline

#9
January 27, 2015, 08:00:02 PM
No hurry . . . and it was always kind of tough to get factual details on Toly Arutunoff's cars. This one especially.
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Carnut

#10
February 02, 2015, 11:11:48 AM
I wish I could find more out about this car but have drawn a blank.
I understood the body dated from the mid 1980s but can find no proof of that nor the involvement of any coachbuilder.
So we'll move it to Solved and maybe someone could add more information!
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fyreline

#11
February 02, 2015, 12:43:19 PM
I agree with you on the body modifications . . . definitely a much later addition. I hope someone knows more.
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dzima1985

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February 02, 2015, 03:52:51 PM Last Edit: February 03, 2015, 03:50:23 AM by dzima1985
A couple of years ago I was found two photos and little info:
"Cunningham C3 Roadster by Johnson, 1952.
Sur les 27 chassis C3,un seul ne fut pas habillé en Italie par Vignale,c'était ce spider réalisé par un artisan Américain spécialisé dans les monoplaces d'Indianapolis..."

fyreline

#13
February 02, 2015, 06:16:11 PM
Thanks for the photos - at least we now know what the rear of this car looks like.
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Carnut

#14
February 03, 2015, 04:58:23 AM
Thanks dzima.
Hopefully one day someone might be able to say who built the body!
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oko94

#15
February 03, 2015, 09:43:42 AM
According to what Dzima has posted, it was built by Johnson.

Carnut

#16
February 03, 2015, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: oko94 on February 03, 2015, 09:43:42 AM
According to what Dzima has posted, it was built by Johnson.

Yes, whoever they were!
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