Solved: GTE 189 - 1979 March-Nissan Formula Pacific

gte4289 · October 25, 2019, 07:18:03 AM

Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 07:06:38 AM
F3 car?

Not raced in F3 either

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79V

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW

Series
North American Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3

Mogul · October 25, 2019, 07:21:23 AM

Is it an other Formula Atlantic series car?

gte4289 · October 25, 2019, 07:27:46 AM

Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 07:21:23 AM
Is it an other Formula Atlantic series car?

No, not raced in any Formula Atlantic series

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79V

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW

Series
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3

Mogul · October 25, 2019, 07:45:17 AM

From what I can see nearly all but one 1979 March models are named? so it is a 79C?

gte4289 · October 25, 2019, 07:53:06 AM

Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 07:45:17 AM
From what I can see nearly all but one 1979 March models are named? so it is a 79C?

No, only one of those made (and never raced). I considered using the 79C, but I couldn't find a good photo. The puzzle car is rare, but not quite as rare as the 79C. There are still two '79 chassis that haven't been mentioned. The puzzle car is one of those two.

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79C
79V

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW

Series
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3

Mogul · October 25, 2019, 08:00:26 AM

79S?

gte4289 · October 25, 2019, 08:05:57 AM

Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 08:00:26 AM
79S?

Okay, maybe there were three remaining choices?

(Are there more that I don't know about?)

Sorry, but not 79S.

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79C
79S
79V

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW

Series
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3

Mogul · October 25, 2019, 08:33:03 AM

79SV

bsa · October 25, 2019, 10:05:02 AM

Formula 5000 Chevy block?

gte4289 · October 25, 2019, 11:16:22 AM

Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 08:33:03 AM
79SV

No

Quote from: bsa on October 25, 2019, 10:05:02 AM
Formula 5000 Chevy block?

No

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79C
79S
79V
79SV

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW
Formula 5000 Chevy

Series
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3

shamrock · October 25, 2019, 02:47:43 PM

Is a car built by John Travis in the UK , he built single seater and sports cars using March bodywork

gte4289 · October 25, 2019, 03:54:11 PM

Quote from: shamrock on October 25, 2019, 02:47:43 PM
Is a car built by John Travis in the UK , he built single seater and sports cars using March bodywork

Not that. (This is on a March chassis, by the way.)

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79C
79S
79V
79SV
single seater sports car built by John Travis in the UK using March bodywork

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW
Formula 5000 Chevy

Series
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3

Maits · October 27, 2019, 03:42:58 AM

Maybe it is 79A, since Cosworth (Ford) is already mentioned, then I will go for a BMW engine.

gte4289 · October 27, 2019, 04:44:18 AM

Quote from: Maits on October 27, 2019, 03:42:58 AM
Maybe it is 79A, since Cosworth (Ford) is already mentioned, then I will go for a BMW engine.

Welcome to AP!

According to my source, this is a 79A chassis, but the engine is neither Ford/Cosworth nor BMW. Locked for you to identify the engine.

Maits · October 27, 2019, 08:54:18 AM

QuoteWelcome to AP!

Thank you!
It must be Mazda 12A engine then.

gte4289 · October 27, 2019, 11:11:04 AM

Quote from: Maits on October 27, 2019, 08:54:18 AM
QuoteWelcome to AP!
Thank you!
It must be Mazda 12A engine then.

It is not!

Maits · October 27, 2019, 01:03:58 PM

I am out of ideas. Fiat engines were used in these years as well. Fiat maybe?

gte4289 · October 27, 2019, 02:21:23 PM

Quote from: Maits on October 27, 2019, 01:03:58 PM
I am out of ideas. Fiat engines were used in these years as well. Fiat maybe?

Not Fiat. Still locked for one more try.

Mogul · October 28, 2019, 02:50:33 AM

Good morning,

A March 79A is basically a Formula Atlantic according to my info...... As you stated it was not a Formula Atlantic, I did not mention the 79A.

gte4289 · October 28, 2019, 03:15:18 AM

Quote from: Mogul on October 28, 2019, 02:50:33 AM
Good morning,

A March 79A is basically a Formula Atlantic according to my info...... As you stated it was not a Formula Atlantic, I did not mention the 79A.

Being so similar, the various March chassis types for 1979 were raced across multiple series (and some were not raced at all). This puzzle would be a mess if we started confusing chassis type with race series, so I have consistently broken the responses down by year, chassis builder, chassis type, engine and series. Accordingly, I responded to your earlier 'series' question by stating that the puzzle vehicle had not raced in any Formula Atlantic series, followed by an updated breakdown of eliminated options (again, broken down by year, chassis builder, chassis type, engine and series). My only update to the breakdown was elimination of the Formula Atlantic series; no additional chassis type was eliminated based on your question. Here is that exchange again:

Quote from: gte4289 on October 25, 2019, 07:27:46 AM
Quote from: Mogul on October 25, 2019, 07:21:23 AM
Is it an other Formula Atlantic series car?
No, not raced in any Formula Atlantic series

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
782
783
793
79B
79V

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW

Series
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3

Mogul · October 28, 2019, 03:20:27 AM

OK, point taken, but it was also playing with words, it did not race in any Formula Atlantic series, but it is a Formula Atlantic car type....
Still locked for the time being?

gte4289 · October 28, 2019, 03:49:20 AM

Quote from: Mogul on October 28, 2019, 03:20:27 AM
OK, point taken, but it was also playing with words, it did not race in any Formula Atlantic series, but it is a Formula Atlantic car type....
Still locked for the time being?

I'm sorry that you feel that way, but I was not playing with words at all. You asked if the puzzle car was a "Formula Atlantic series car." It was not. While I could have simply responded "No" and been done with it, I made a conscious effort to include additional information in order to avoid ambiguity. I honestly cannot think of a better response to that question.

gte4289 · October 28, 2019, 03:55:04 AM

Maits gets one more attempt at identifying the engine before I unlock the thread. Here's an update in the meantime:

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
79A

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW
BMW
Mazda
FIAT

Series
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3

It is not necessary to identify a racing series. All that is needed to solve the puzzle now is the identity of the engine.

Maits · October 28, 2019, 04:47:06 AM

I will say it used a Hart engine, because I have run out of ideas right now. All the engines I know for chassis 79A have been mentioned already.
You have missed Chevrolet in your latest list. It has been mentioned also.
If it´s wrong, you can unlock and somebody can try...

gte4289 · October 28, 2019, 04:58:29 AM

Quote from: Maits on October 28, 2019, 04:47:06 AM
I will say it used a Hart engine, because I have run out of ideas right now. All the engines I know for chassis 79A have been mentioned already.
You have missed Chevrolet in your latest list. It has been mentioned also.
If it´s wrong, you can unlock and somebody can try...

It is not Hart, so the thread is now unlocked.

Year
1979

Chassis builder
March

Chassis
79A

Engine
Toyota
Ford
Alfa Romeo
VW
Formula 5000 Chevy
BMW
Mazda
FIAT
Hart

Series*
Formula Atlantic
Formula Super Vee
Formula 2
Formula 3

*It is not necessary to identify a racing series. All that is needed to solve the puzzle now is the identity of the engine.

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Solved: GTE 189 - 1979 March-Nissan Formula Pacific