The Name Chain - CLOSED

[Wendax]

Rinspeed sQuba

[Carnut]

Fiat Abarth 500 E2 Concept by Rinspeed

[oko94]

Rinspeed EMS09 Engineered by Esoro

This is the 2009 Rinspeed iChange. It's not called "EMS09 Engineered by Esoro", even though it was indeed engineered by Esoro. Rinspeed concepts always have the list of all companies involved written on their body, but that doesn't mean it's part of their name.

[Carnut]

Confusing.
It's what it was described as on several sites.
Alternatively there's this one, which is described as 'Rinspeed Esoro ZeroEmission' on various sites, though it looks like Wendax's sQuba to me...

[oko94]

My source is Rinspeed's official site, I reckon they know how their own cars are called !

[oko94]

So shall we go back to Esoro Omekron ?

[Otto Puzzell]

So shall we go back to Esoro Omekron ?

No.

Per the rules, "Engineered by Esoro" is indeed written upon the car's exterior surface.

[oko94]

I thought the rule was meant to be understood as "every part of the name has to be written on the car", which is not the same as "everything that is written on the car is part of the name".

On the Rinspeed iChange, all these words are written :
Eberspacher
111
M Division
Siemens
AEZ
Carl F. Bucherer
Strahle + Hess
Schoeller
Motorex
Harman International
Greenedge
Sharp
Xmobil
Pirelli
KGS
Engineered by Esoro.

Does it mean that any of these words is valid for the name chain ? Doesn't make sense to me.

[oko94]

Fiat Abarth 500 E2 Concept by Rinspeed

Fiat, Abarth, E2 and Concept are not written on the car's body. The car's name is only Rinspeed E2, which makes it the third Rinspeed in a row.

[Carnut]

Fiat Abarth 500 E2 Concept by Rinspeed

Fiat, Abarth, E2 and Concept are not written on the car's body. The car's name is only Rinspeed E2, which makes it the third Rinspeed in a row.

Hmmm..
Rinspeed mainly modify cars; they are not (with exceptions!) manufacturers in their own right.
This E2 is based on a Fiat Abarth 500 and not sure Fiat would be too pleased if Rinspeed claim it's not and they made it..
However, I'll leave it up to Otto.  I did look fully into this and on some sites it's called a Rinspeed E2 concept but on others a Fiat Abarth 500 E2 Concept  by Rinspeed.  I don't think I changed the caption of the photo, which also included Fiat Abarth.  I can guarantee it will say Fiat on the car somewhere, even if only stamped on the bodywork rather than as part of the trim.  This is a Fiat and was originallly built by them!

[nicanary]

I've just thought to myself - what would Denis Jenkinson have made of all this?

When is a Lotus a Lotus? When is it a John Player Special?

It's only a game, and it's Otto's game. No doubt about it - he has the final decision.

[Otto Puzzell]

I thought the rule was meant to be understood as "every part of the name has to be written on the car", which is not the same as "everything that is written on the car is part of the name".

The rule says this:

"If a trim or configuration designation is used as part of a car's name as posted, that designation must be displayed somewhere on the car's exterior."

The interpretation that every part of a car's name (including the manufacturer) must appear on the car, is your interpretation - and not the rule, as written.

If sour grapes and nitpicking are to become the norm here, I will remind the pickers that participation in this puzzle is optional. If the prevailing wind of the puzzle become contentious or confrontational, I will end the puzzle, and divvy the points as I see fit.

Gentleman, I return you to the game.

[nicanary]

I thought the rule was meant to be understood as "every part of the name has to be written on the car", which is not the same as "everything that is written on the car is part of the name".

The rule says this:

"If a trim or configuration designation is used as part of a car's name as posted, that designation must be displayed somewhere on the car's exterior."

The interpretation that every part of a car's name (including the manufacturer) must appear on the car, is your interpretation - and not the rule, as written.

If sour grapes and nitpicking are to become the norm here, I will remind the pickers that participation in this puzzle is optional. If the prevailing wind of the puzzle become contentious or confrontational, I will end the puzzle, and divvy the points as I see fit.

Gentleman, I return you to the game.

:thumbsup:

[oko94]

My main point wasn't addressed by your answer Otto but let's move on.

EVE E2.

[Carnut]

Pininfarina CNR E2

[Wendax]

Pininfarina Spidereuropa

[Carnut]

Abarth 030 Pininfarina

[Ehhxekt]

Autobianchi A112 Abarth 70 HP

[Wendax]

Autobianchi Stellina

[Carnut]

I've found lots of advertisements for an Abarth Autobianchi A112, mostly For Sale in France.
Was it actually marketed in France as an Abarth, and later as an Abarth Lancia A112?
If it was I can post it!

[oko94]

It has always been marketed as Autobianchi A112 Abarth in France, never as Abarth Autobianchi or Abarth Lancia. Even the Y10 was sold as an Autobianchi in France during the eighties.

[Carnut]

It has always been marketed as Autobianchi A112 Abarth in France, never as Abarth Autobianchi or Abarth Lancia. Even the Y10 was sold as an Autobianchi in France during the eighties.

Yes, and I've only just noticed it's exactly the same car posted by Ehhxekt...

[Carnut]

OTAS Autobianchi A112 KL:

[nicanary]

It has always been marketed as Autobianchi A112 Abarth in France, never as Abarth Autobianchi or Abarth Lancia. Even the Y10 was sold as an Autobianchi in France during the eighties.

Yes, and I've only just noticed it's exactly the same car posted by Ehhxekt...

That's what old age does.......... ;D

[Wendax]

OTAS Autobianchi A112 KL:

I hate to do that, because that's what makes this puzzle problematic, but was Autobianchi part of the name?