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Started by Wendax, November 03, 2012, 05:03:01 PM

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João

1956 Spatz 200 Coupe by BAG?

Wendax

Quote from: luisps on November 15, 2012, 02:59:58 PM
Egg 10 BELCAR swiss version of the first BRÜTSCH SPATZ threewheeler. That picture appears in a brochure of the builder (A.Grünhut & Co.) without mention to a special name to this model with doors.
Correct again. It is the second Belcar version with doors and a 230 cc engine. The doorless first version had a 200 cc engine.

Wendax

#127
Quote from: João on November 15, 2012, 03:09:10 PM
1956 Spatz 200 Coupe by BAG?
Yes  ;D

pguillem

Egg  02 : Brütsch Rollera from 1956 ?

Allemano

Quote from: Wendax on November 15, 2012, 02:07:51 AM
(and Mr. Thyssen-... doesn't mention it).
Rosellen doesn't either...

Wendax

Quote from: pguillem on November 15, 2012, 03:41:33 PM
Egg  02 : Brütsch Rollera from 1956 ?
Correct.
The third picture below shows a later version.

Wendax

Quote from: Allemano on November 15, 2012, 03:47:58 PM
Quote from: Wendax on November 15, 2012, 02:07:51 AM
(and Mr. Thyssen-... doesn't mention it).
Rosellen doesn't either...
No wonder, as Rosellen and Thyssen-Bornemissza are one and the same person.  ;D

Allemano

Quote from: Wendax on November 15, 2012, 03:54:22 PMNo wonder, as Rosellen and Thyssen-Bornemissza are one and the same person.  ;D
:doh:

SACO

Egg#7 : Avolette by Cessna France ?

Wendax

#134
Quote from: SACO on November 16, 2012, 04:54:24 AM
Egg#7 : Avolette by Cessna France ?
The French Cessna distributor was Air Tourist. So you are right that this is the 1956 Avolette version that came between the Brütsch-Avolette (Egg #3) and the revised 1957 Avolette (Egg #13). There was a beautiful hardtop available for this one:

Tom_I

Egg 39: The Amphibious Brütsch Mopetta (allegedly).

I don't know how much truth there is in it, but I have read that Egon Brütsch claimed that the Mopetta would be naturally buoyant, and he had ideas of marketing it as a boat, as well as a car. In all this he was ignoring the fact that the body was not not actually watertight, and that the air-cooled engine would have filled up with water if the body tub was not radically redesigned.

But undeterred by trivial details, he arranged for publicity photos to be taken of a Mopetta prototype, presumably without engine, and quite likely without wheels, made to look as if it was being piloted along a stream by a young lady.

Unfortunately the photo is not entirely convincing. Judging by the stones and twigs sticking out of the water, it can't be more than a few centimetres deep, and from the ripples radiating from the Mopetta, it is obviously not moving, but is standing still on the bottom. The 'driver' has just rocked it a few times to stir up the surface of the water.

Nice idea, though, and I wish I'd been there to see the photo shoot!  ;D

Wendax

Quote from: Tom_I on November 16, 2012, 06:47:48 AM
Egg 39: The Amphibious Brütsch Mopetta (allegedly).
That's a nice story and Brütsch really advertised the Mopetta as a car for road and water, as can be seen on the attached ad. Egg 39 is a Brütsch Mopetta, but what is the difference to the Mopetta from Egg 6 (or the Mopetta below)?

João


pnegyesi

No30: A Victoria 250 cabriolet prototype with side doors

Wendax

Quote from: João on November 16, 2012, 07:13:25 AM
#30 - Felber-Victoria?
No. I don't know of a connection between Victoria and Felber.

Wendax

#140
Quote from: pnegyesi on November 16, 2012, 07:20:39 AM
No30: A Victoria 250 cabriolet prototype with side doors
Yes, that's it.

João

Quote from: Wendax on November 16, 2012, 07:24:15 AM
Quote from: João on November 16, 2012, 07:13:25 AM
#30 - Felber-Victoria?
No. I don't know of a connection between Victoria and Felber.

A picture :

Tom_I

Quote from: Wendax on November 16, 2012, 07:10:29 AM
Egg 39 is a Brütsch Mopetta, but what is the difference to the Mopetta from Egg 6 (or the Mopetta below)?

Well, I've learned something today. I can see the obvious differences between the two Mopettas, but didn't realise the fundamental one. This is partly down to a book I have been referring to which has a chapter on Brütsch. I can take some small comfort in that the book's author doesn't know the difference between the two Mopetta models either.

The book reproduces the same picture as Egg 6, with the caption "...Also of note is the absence of any evidence of engines on the left hand side, indicating a right-hand position for the engines on these cars".

But that's obviously wrong, as the German advert posted in Reply #136 clearly says "Direct drive to the front wheel".

So the 1956 Mopetta has the engine at the front, presumably turning with the front wheel. So Egg 39, with the different frontal design, must be a later model (1958?), with the more familiar engine mounted on the left hand side, driving the left rear wheel by a chain.

Interesting that the front-engined Mopetta was actually advertised as for road and water, but it makes it even stranger to show the later model in water. Not only would the engine have been flooded, but the whole thing would probably capsize in deep water, with the weight of the engine being on one side.

Wendax

Quote from: João on November 16, 2012, 09:22:35 AM
Quote from: Wendax on November 16, 2012, 07:24:15 AM
Quote from: João on November 16, 2012, 07:13:25 AM
#30 - Felber-Victoria?
No. I don't know of a connection between Victoria and Felber.

A picture :
:thumbsup:
You learn something new everyday on AutoPuzzles!  ;D

Wendax

Quote from: Tom_I on November 16, 2012, 09:24:28 AM
Quote from: Wendax on November 16, 2012, 07:10:29 AM
Egg 39 is a Brütsch Mopetta, but what is the difference to the Mopetta from Egg 6 (or the Mopetta below)?

Well, I've learned something today. I can see the obvious differences between the two Mopettas, but didn't realise the fundamental one. This is partly down to a book I have been referring to which has a chapter on Brütsch. I can take some small comfort in that the book's author doesn't know the difference between the two Mopetta models either.

The book reproduces the same picture as Egg 6, with the caption "...Also of note is the absence of any evidence of engines on the left hand side, indicating a right-hand position for the engines on these cars".

But that's obviously wrong, as the German advert posted in Reply #136 clearly says "Direct drive to the front wheel".

So the 1956 Mopetta has the engine at the front, presumably turning with the front wheel. So Egg 39, with the different frontal design, must be a later model (1958?), with the more familiar engine mounted on the left hand side, driving the left rear wheel by a chain.

Interesting that the front-engined Mopetta was actually advertised as for road and water, but it makes it even stranger to show the later model in water. Not only would the engine have been flooded, but the whole thing would probably capsize in deep water, with the weight of the engine being on one side.
That's what I call a perfect answer. I didn't notice the difference between the original Mopetta and the Mopetta 1958 before I created this puzzle. I just stumbled over the different grill, and then I had a closer look...

barrett

What's left?

I think Egg#20 is the Bruetsch 300 Mk1 by Bruetsch cars England although there is little to differentiate it from the 'normal' German Brütsch Spatz

Wendax

#146
Quote from: barrett on November 16, 2012, 09:40:16 AM
What's left?

I think Egg#20 is the Bruetsch 300 Mk1 by Bruetsch cars England although there is little to differentiate it from the 'normal' German Brütsch Spatz
Sometimes it is more simple than you think. This picture was used in the British brochure of the Brütsch 300 Mk.1 as well, but it you can't differentiate it from the Brütsch Spatz, because the picture just shows a Brütsch Spatz.

luisps

Egg 12 BRÜTSCH SPATZ 200 of 1954

luisps

In reference to the FELBER-VICTORIA the picture shown was token by myself together with others with the full car. It happened in the "XIII Trobada Internacional de Microctches de Manresa" the 28/5/2011. Talking with the owner of the car he confirmed that these car was made in Germany but the distributor of Victoria in Austria at that time was Felber and the only difference is the additional Felber logo. You can see the rest of pictures in the best web about the car history that you can see in Spanish...

Wendax

Quote from: luisps on November 16, 2012, 03:01:01 PM
Egg 12 BRÜTSCH SPATZ 200 of 1954
Yes. Just to complete it, please tell the difference to Egg #20.

And thank you for the additional info on the Felber Victoria 250, very much appreciated.