SOLVED: si_182 - Henschel - F 221 - _Schölch-Cab - Stetter-Mixer - 1967

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Bill d isere

#25
January 12, 2022, 02:28:26 PM
Liebherr ?
Please open up to everyone, I have nothing in particular to suggest.
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sichel

#26
January 12, 2022, 02:40:35 PM
No, it is not a Liebherr-Mixer, Unlocked
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

Bill d isere

#27
January 13, 2022, 06:12:27 AM
Putzmeister ?
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sichel

#28
January 13, 2022, 05:25:52 PM
No, not even Putzmeister.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

Bill d isere

#29
January 14, 2022, 01:53:17 AM
Schwing Stetter
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sichel

#30
January 14, 2022, 03:24:57 AM
Almost right. When the truck was built, the name consisted of only one word.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

Bill d isere

#31
January 14, 2022, 03:46:56 AM
I am the lottery champion here!
Stetter
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sichel

#32
January 14, 2022, 04:01:59 AM
Yes! This ticket number gives a consolation prize  :bow:
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

Bill d isere

#33
January 14, 2022, 04:39:25 AM
What else do you want?
I have nothing left
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sichel

#34
January 14, 2022, 05:02:06 AM
That was just a pun on the keyword "lottery". I am still missing the type of the truck, builder of cab and of the interchangeable frame.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

Bill d isere

#35
January 14, 2022, 07:21:02 AM
I don't know any of this
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sichel

#36
January 14, 2022, 08:39:14 AM
That's a pity.  :(
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

Bill d isere

#37
January 14, 2022, 09:38:21 AM
I can't find anything online
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sichel

#38
January 14, 2022, 10:26:11 AM
My scource is a book, I I have not yet searched the internet.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

Bill d isere

#39
January 14, 2022, 02:26:09 PM
So I'm screwed!  :'(   ;D
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sichel

#40
January 22, 2022, 03:07:05 PM
Up
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

fromwien

#41
January 23, 2022, 11:39:15 AM
F 221 BM-chassis?

sichel

#42
January 23, 2022, 11:46:34 AM
No BM-chassis.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

fromwien

#43
January 23, 2022, 01:26:50 PM
SL-Chassis?

sichel

#44
January 23, 2022, 01:53:01 PM
No.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

fromwien

#45
January 23, 2022, 03:19:23 PM Last Edit: January 23, 2022, 03:28:14 PM by fromwien
I have a little problem, with searching for other details, as on the picture I have, there is definitely written on the windshield 'F 221 BM'. Furthermore that the one-person-cabine has been developed by Henschel itself. Maybe built by Kögel? Another source mentions Schölch as the coachbuilder. My picture has been taken at the IAA 1967

fromwien

#46
January 24, 2022, 04:17:55 AM
Here the important section of the picture in better quality

sichel

#47
January 24, 2022, 04:38:35 AM
Response is in progress
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

sichel

#48
January 24, 2022, 07:21:48 AM Last Edit: January 24, 2022, 07:28:28 AM by sichel
Well, here we go: It can be assumed that the author of the fair report in "lastauto-omnibus" used the press releases of the manufacturers, without questioning them. Which was and is common practice.

The cab was developed and built by a supplier (you have already mentioned his name), this is confirmed by various sources. This one-man cabin was also used in a modified form for other applications. The big manufacturers also usually had no capacity for such smallest series.

To the chassis: I have a strong suspicion that a mistake has been made when setting up the exhibition stand: Henschel-Miixer = BM-chassis.
The exhibition vehicle, the puzzle truck, had a subframe, to be able to exchange the mixer for other superstructures.

The Henschel BM-chassis was a very special, unique construction. It was the only chassis on the market, which was able to compensate the dynamic forces of a mixing drum, rotating during the drive, without using any subframe or additional reinforcements. There was, for example, an additional spring on the left side to balance the wandering centre of gravity when the drum rotates clockwise.

So, Henschel was number one of mixer-trucks in Germany until the end. At the best of times, they sold more mixer chassis, than all other manufacturers combined.
I add three photos: first: the puzzle-truck with subframe for changing bodies, second and third: Henschel BM-chassis. I think the difference is clear.
So, please add the coachbuilder and the possible alternative to the BM-chassis and of course manufactorer of the interchangeable frame.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

fromwien

#49
January 24, 2022, 08:55:52 AM Last Edit: January 24, 2022, 10:17:55 AM by fromwien
At first, I want to take up the cudgels for authors of  motoring journals, which I also count myself among. There may some charlatans be around, but most of us try to do their best job with a lot of diligence!

Secondly, not an author of a magazine (you mentioned "lastauto-omnibus") made a crueling mistake in your reckoning. BUT THE MANUFACTURER BY HIMSELF! SHOWING THE CAR AT THE MOST REPRESENTATIVE AUTOMOBILE EVENT WITH A WRONG DESCRIPTION OF THE CHASSIS BEHIND THE WINDSHIELD!!!

So, I think Schölch will be the coachbuilder of the one-man-cabin, as also with the Magirus concrete-mixer of 1968

The type of the chassis may be F 221 M, if Henschel happened such an embarrassing mistake, specifying their new product with an wrong code to their possible clients

The manufacturer of the interchangeable frame will be the hard nut for me to crack

Another picture of an Henschel brochure attached, showing the F 221 BM-chassis with interchangeable superstructure
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